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From VOC (about R. S. Casino Management Problems)
We are deleting this topic due to improper comments being submitted.
Our site is not the proper place for it. There may be problems there, but all we're getting are comments from disgruntled employees about 'in-house' problems, which are not tribal issues.
Our site is not the proper place for it. There may be problems there, but all we're getting are comments from disgruntled employees about 'in-house' problems, which are not tribal issues.
NC's Facility Use Agreements Law is a FIASCO!
New topic as requested by Anonymous 3/9/2010 8:48AM.
COUNCIL MEMBERS' VOTES
Vote on Chief's Vetoes:
NCA 10-005 13 yes - 9 No Override failed. $300,000 for Kellyville parking lot.
NCA 10-006 14 yes - 8 No Override failed. Funds for 3 communities $154,600 +.
NCA 10-016 18 yes - 3 No Override passed. Capstone Counseling/Consulting. $2,000.
NCA 10-018 11 yes - 11 No Override failed. Program, audits & legal for Holdenville. $178,343.
NCA 10-020 17 Yes - 5 No Override failed. Funds for Citizen rent hardship. $2,410.
NCA 10-029 20 Yes - 1 No. Override passed. Homeownership to elderly FB. $1,798,949.
Word is that those bills they failed to override will be brought back ASAP.
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VOC: What is citizens' input on the following legislations which were approved by council? Let the Chief's office know how you believe he should handle, VETO or SIGN. Due by Tuesday 3/9/2010. FAX 758-1434 & Tele 732-7605.
NCA 10-024 Amend. Title 17 - Bd of Trustees & Officers, for ExOfficio to Trade & Commerce
NCA 10-026 Approp. $15,00 - for cook position
NCA 10-027 Approp. $185,114.98 to Checotah, Eufaula & Duck Creek communities
NCA 10-030 Amend. Title 28 - Designate complex area for fire pit, cornstalk platforms & games.
TR 10-006 Business lease to VGT Gaming to benefit Tulsa Community
TR 10-010 Tribal Membership to NIGC Association
TR 10-016 Donation of MCN flag to OK Agribusiness Dev. - for display
NCA 10-025 Expend. of program Inc. for PR Dept.
Let's give our input to the Chief as soon as possible - VETO or Sign
NCA 10-005 13 yes - 9 No Override failed. $300,000 for Kellyville parking lot.
NCA 10-006 14 yes - 8 No Override failed. Funds for 3 communities $154,600 +.
NCA 10-016 18 yes - 3 No Override passed. Capstone Counseling/Consulting. $2,000.
NCA 10-018 11 yes - 11 No Override failed. Program, audits & legal for Holdenville. $178,343.
NCA 10-020 17 Yes - 5 No Override failed. Funds for Citizen rent hardship. $2,410.
NCA 10-029 20 Yes - 1 No. Override passed. Homeownership to elderly FB. $1,798,949.
Word is that those bills they failed to override will be brought back ASAP.
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VOC: What is citizens' input on the following legislations which were approved by council? Let the Chief's office know how you believe he should handle, VETO or SIGN. Due by Tuesday 3/9/2010. FAX 758-1434 & Tele 732-7605.
NCA 10-024 Amend. Title 17 - Bd of Trustees & Officers, for ExOfficio to Trade & Commerce
NCA 10-026 Approp. $15,00 - for cook position
NCA 10-027 Approp. $185,114.98 to Checotah, Eufaula & Duck Creek communities
NCA 10-030 Amend. Title 28 - Designate complex area for fire pit, cornstalk platforms & games.
TR 10-006 Business lease to VGT Gaming to benefit Tulsa Community
TR 10-010 Tribal Membership to NIGC Association
TR 10-016 Donation of MCN flag to OK Agribusiness Dev. - for display
NCA 10-025 Expend. of program Inc. for PR Dept.
Let's give our input to the Chief as soon as possible - VETO or Sign
Special Tribal Activities for Citizens
VOC has moved this comment to a new topic - Submitted by Anonymous 3/1/2010 9:43PM
This question is about the Challenge Bowl: Did anyone besides myself notice the few people that volunteered this year, was this their choice or their director? I heard that McIntosh would not let the childcare dept. volunteer because it is a federal program. It is awful funny that they were able to participate from the very beginning and nothing was said. It is a shame because these kids study hard to enter this and this is what it is suppose to be about, the kids. At one time the Chief and Mr. Sumner spoke in favor or everyone participating until you know who came along and he started to say that it took too much time away from work. What is the difference in someone taking 5 smoke breaks a day or walking for 30 min. Our kids are our future, this is stupid that the Chief allows this to happen. He was there and I am sure he saw how important this was to the children that were there, but then does he even care anymore. Also what happened to the Creek speakers that should have participated, don't they get 50 cents an hour more because they can speak the language? also we signed a contract that said they would help out in the challenge bowl, I think that if they didn't than this should be taken away from them or they should be fired. A big thank you to the people of Jom, they really worked hard to make it go as scheduled. Solution: Get rid or these people that don't care about what we are doing for the children, it has been said that mcintosh once said that her children better not ask her for anything because she would not help them, what kind of person is this that is over depts. that are to help people?
This question is about the Challenge Bowl: Did anyone besides myself notice the few people that volunteered this year, was this their choice or their director? I heard that McIntosh would not let the childcare dept. volunteer because it is a federal program. It is awful funny that they were able to participate from the very beginning and nothing was said. It is a shame because these kids study hard to enter this and this is what it is suppose to be about, the kids. At one time the Chief and Mr. Sumner spoke in favor or everyone participating until you know who came along and he started to say that it took too much time away from work. What is the difference in someone taking 5 smoke breaks a day or walking for 30 min. Our kids are our future, this is stupid that the Chief allows this to happen. He was there and I am sure he saw how important this was to the children that were there, but then does he even care anymore. Also what happened to the Creek speakers that should have participated, don't they get 50 cents an hour more because they can speak the language? also we signed a contract that said they would help out in the challenge bowl, I think that if they didn't than this should be taken away from them or they should be fired. A big thank you to the people of Jom, they really worked hard to make it go as scheduled. Solution: Get rid or these people that don't care about what we are doing for the children, it has been said that mcintosh once said that her children better not ask her for anything because she would not help them, what kind of person is this that is over depts. that are to help people?
FOR "CITIZEN INPUT" TO CHIEF'S OFFICE
NEW TOPIC PLEASE - GET READY FOR "CITIZEN INPUT" TO CHIEF'S OFFICE
As requested by Citizen Alert - 2/28/2010 8:22PM
Council passed 2 bills that appropriate our $: 1.) Passed funds for a cook position for the Elderly Nutrition program (not tribal program) - Who is this Chef/Cook that gets his/her job funded all the time? ($15,000.00) and 2.) Passed funds for Checotah, DuckCreek & Eufaula ($185,000.00). They are slowing down a bit on spending our money but why are these 3 communities the only ones that keep asking for money? And yes the Council voted to have a rep. on the Tribal Trade & Commerce Board. Well lets see what Chief does with these bills.
VOC: What is citizens' input on the following legislations which were approved by council? Let the Chief's office know how you believe he should handle, VETO or SIGN. Due by Tuesday 3/9/2010. FAX 758-1434 & Tele 752-4901.
VOC: What is citizens' input on the following legislations which were approved by council? Let the Chief's office know how you believe he should handle, VETO or SIGN. Due by Tuesday 3/9/2010. FAX 758-1434 & Tele 732-7605.
NCA 10-024 Amend. Title 17 - Bd of Trustees & Officers, for ExOfficio to Trade & Commerce
NCA 10-026 Approp. $15,00 - for cook position
NCA 10-027 Approp. $185,114.98 to Checotah, Eufaula & Duck Creek communities
NCA 10-030 Amend. Title 28 - Designate complex area for fire pit, cornstalk platforms & games.
TR 10-006 Business lease to VGT Gaming to benefit Tulsa Community
TR 10-010 Tribal Membership to NIGC Association
TR 10-016 Donation of MCN flag to OK Agribusiness Dev. - for display
NCA 10-025 Expend. of program Inc. for PR Dept.
Let's give our input to the Chief as soon as possible - VETO or Sign
As requested by Citizen Alert - 2/28/2010 8:22PM
Council passed 2 bills that appropriate our $: 1.) Passed funds for a cook position for the Elderly Nutrition program (not tribal program) - Who is this Chef/Cook that gets his/her job funded all the time? ($15,000.00) and 2.) Passed funds for Checotah, DuckCreek & Eufaula ($185,000.00). They are slowing down a bit on spending our money but why are these 3 communities the only ones that keep asking for money? And yes the Council voted to have a rep. on the Tribal Trade & Commerce Board. Well lets see what Chief does with these bills.
VOC: What is citizens' input on the following legislations which were approved by council? Let the Chief's office know how you believe he should handle, VETO or SIGN. Due by Tuesday 3/9/2010. FAX 758-1434 & Tele 752-4901.
VOC: What is citizens' input on the following legislations which were approved by council? Let the Chief's office know how you believe he should handle, VETO or SIGN. Due by Tuesday 3/9/2010. FAX 758-1434 & Tele 732-7605.
NCA 10-024 Amend. Title 17 - Bd of Trustees & Officers, for ExOfficio to Trade & Commerce
NCA 10-026 Approp. $15,00 - for cook position
NCA 10-027 Approp. $185,114.98 to Checotah, Eufaula & Duck Creek communities
NCA 10-030 Amend. Title 28 - Designate complex area for fire pit, cornstalk platforms & games.
TR 10-006 Business lease to VGT Gaming to benefit Tulsa Community
TR 10-010 Tribal Membership to NIGC Association
TR 10-016 Donation of MCN flag to OK Agribusiness Dev. - for display
NCA 10-025 Expend. of program Inc. for PR Dept.
Let's give our input to the Chief as soon as possible - VETO or Sign
MESSAGE TO MY COUNCIL MEMBER(S)
New topic as requested.
Every one of you can write a message to YOUR council rep.
Every one of you can write a message to YOUR council rep.
MCN government cutting back 10% of its budget.
Moderator NEW Topic please.
2/24/10 In addition to the 10% cut-back posted here, the Chief has issued an Exec. Order of a "SPENDING & HIRING" FREEZE, effective today, for all Executive Branch - Tribally Funded Employees.
NOW, COUNCIL DO YOUR PART. SATURDAY, IF YOU REALLY CARE ABOUT OUR TRIBE, YOU WILL VOTE NOT TO APPROVE ANY SPECIAL APPROPRIATIONS. WE ALL HAVE TO SACRIFICE - NONE OF THE NOTIONS OF THE PAST, THAT "LET'S GET MORE MONEY FROM THE TRIBE" MENTALITY or THAT WE ARE "ENTITLED" MENTALITY. CUT BACK ON YOUR "FOR THE COUNCIL'S OPERATIONS" SPENDING TOO.
2/24/10 In addition to the 10% cut-back posted here, the Chief has issued an Exec. Order of a "SPENDING & HIRING" FREEZE, effective today, for all Executive Branch - Tribally Funded Employees.
NOW, COUNCIL DO YOUR PART. SATURDAY, IF YOU REALLY CARE ABOUT OUR TRIBE, YOU WILL VOTE NOT TO APPROVE ANY SPECIAL APPROPRIATIONS. WE ALL HAVE TO SACRIFICE - NONE OF THE NOTIONS OF THE PAST, THAT "LET'S GET MORE MONEY FROM THE TRIBE" MENTALITY or THAT WE ARE "ENTITLED" MENTALITY. CUT BACK ON YOUR "FOR THE COUNCIL'S OPERATIONS" SPENDING TOO.
NC MEMBERS - FAX & MCN Cell Phone No.'s
| Council's FAX No. | 918-756-6812 | Tele. No. 918-758-1410 |
| NC Member | FAX No. | Cell No. |
| Ade | 405-379-3253 | 918-520-8166 |
| Alexander | 918-485-3666 | 918-510-4658 |
| Anderson | 918-237-1417 | |
| Barnett | 918-367-3964 | 918-520-9164 |
| Beaver | 918-683-2943 | 918-510-4609 |
| Bruner | 918-455-0870 | 918-671-1109 |
| Dornan | 918-616-4302 | 918-237-9659 |
| Fife | 918-510-4636 | |
| Greene | 918-520-7027 | |
| Hill | 918-324-5499 | 918-384-9126 |
| Hufft | 918-286-1798 | 918-384-9063 |
| Jennings | 918-510-4661 | |
| Johnson | 918-733-2360 | 918-694-2846 |
| Jones | 918-689-2838 | 918-384-9139 |
| LaGrone | 918-510-4629 | |
| Medina | 918-403-9420 | |
| Nichols | 918-756-6703 | 918-384-8573 |
| Proctor | 918-657-2246 | 918-384-8528 |
| Ridge | 918-445-4947 | 918-520-9161 |
| Scott | 918-623-0150 | 918-520-6149 |
| Thomas | 918-384-8795 | |
| Tiger | 918-367-3701 | 918-384-8427 |
| Williams | N/A yet | N/A yet |
| Willits | 918-447-0593 | 918-520-9725 |
| Wind | 405-452-3435 | 918-520-9153 |
| Yahola | 918-906-1273 |
1st PETITION for BETTER GOVERNMENT - for TERM LIMITS
New topic as requested 2/18/10 3:42PM by Anonymous.
THIS IS THE FIRST OF FIVE PETITIONS SCHEDULED FOR CIRCULATION.
Shortly, the following terms limit petition sponsored by the Muscogee (Creek) Citizens for Better Government will begin making its rounds. Three hundred and sixty-nine (369) current registered voters are required to get the Muscogee (Creek) National Council Terms Limits Act on a Special Election ballot. This number represents eight per cent (8%) of the total number that voted in the last election for Principal Chief, of which 4605 cast ballots. Proposed Amendment A59 states the following: “Measures referred to the People by initiative shall take effect and be in force when approved by a majority of the votes cast thereon and not otherwise.”
The essential point of the petition is as follows:
This measure amends Section 2 of Article VI of the Constitution of the Muscogee (Creek) Nation by adding a subsection (e). Currently, there is no limit to the number of terms a person may serve as a National Council Representative. This amendment is the same as the Constitutional number of terms allowed to be served by a Principal Chief and thereby makes all elected officials number of terms they can serve in office the same.
Ballot Title: Muscogee (Creek) National Council Term Limits Act
BE IT ENACTED BY THE PEOPLE OF THE MUSCOGEE (CREEK) NATION:
SECTION 1. a proposed amendment to Section 2. Article VI of the Constitution of the Muscogee (Creek) Nation; adding (e) No person shall serve in the office of National Council Representative more than two (2) consecutive terms for which he/she is elected and no person shall serve more than two (2) terms if not consecutive. A partial term shall not count as a full term.
SECTION 2. The Principal Chief shall submit this proposed Constitutional Amendment to the citizen voters at a Special Election within 90 days for their approval or rejection, as and in the manner provided by law, the following proposed amendment to Section 2 of Article VI after subsection (d) of the constitution of the Muscogee (Creek) Nation to read as follows adding:
(e) No person shall serve in the office of National Council Representative more than two (2) consecutive terms for which he/she is elected and no person shall serve more than two (2) terms if not consecutive. A partial term shall not count as a full term.
THIS IS THE FIRST OF FIVE PETITIONS SCHEDULED FOR CIRCULATION.
Shortly, the following terms limit petition sponsored by the Muscogee (Creek) Citizens for Better Government will begin making its rounds. Three hundred and sixty-nine (369) current registered voters are required to get the Muscogee (Creek) National Council Terms Limits Act on a Special Election ballot. This number represents eight per cent (8%) of the total number that voted in the last election for Principal Chief, of which 4605 cast ballots. Proposed Amendment A59 states the following: “Measures referred to the People by initiative shall take effect and be in force when approved by a majority of the votes cast thereon and not otherwise.”
The essential point of the petition is as follows:
This measure amends Section 2 of Article VI of the Constitution of the Muscogee (Creek) Nation by adding a subsection (e). Currently, there is no limit to the number of terms a person may serve as a National Council Representative. This amendment is the same as the Constitutional number of terms allowed to be served by a Principal Chief and thereby makes all elected officials number of terms they can serve in office the same.
Ballot Title: Muscogee (Creek) National Council Term Limits Act
BE IT ENACTED BY THE PEOPLE OF THE MUSCOGEE (CREEK) NATION:
SECTION 1. a proposed amendment to Section 2. Article VI of the Constitution of the Muscogee (Creek) Nation; adding (e) No person shall serve in the office of National Council Representative more than two (2) consecutive terms for which he/she is elected and no person shall serve more than two (2) terms if not consecutive. A partial term shall not count as a full term.
SECTION 2. The Principal Chief shall submit this proposed Constitutional Amendment to the citizen voters at a Special Election within 90 days for their approval or rejection, as and in the manner provided by law, the following proposed amendment to Section 2 of Article VI after subsection (d) of the constitution of the Muscogee (Creek) Nation to read as follows adding:
(e) No person shall serve in the office of National Council Representative more than two (2) consecutive terms for which he/she is elected and no person shall serve more than two (2) terms if not consecutive. A partial term shall not count as a full term.
CHIEF vs GAMING COMMUNITIES - STILL IN COURT!?
NEW TOPIC AS REQUESTED by gamingcommunitycitizen 2/14/10 10:19AM.
What is the job of Attorney General?
VOC has been asked the question many times . We would like some of your thoughts and knowledge on the issue.
What brings this question up is that some of us citizens have brought details of tribal problems to him, and he has brushed us aside saying it was not an item for the AG's office.
VOC has related in the past that Mr. Wiley's real purpose appeared to be working for and protecting the Council. It appears to be coming true.
What brings this question up is that some of us citizens have brought details of tribal problems to him, and he has brushed us aside saying it was not an item for the AG's office.
VOC has related in the past that Mr. Wiley's real purpose appeared to be working for and protecting the Council. It appears to be coming true.
CIVILITY for our WEB BLOGS
From VOC
Please folks: There is no topic called "Eli" nor "Need to have MCN Residency".
We are all concerned about MCN & we want participation in our tribal government.
We graciously request that you all keep personal insults out of your comments. That doesn't contribute anything to our topics.
We don't want to delete or ban anyone.
Please folks: There is no topic called "Eli" nor "Need to have MCN Residency".
We are all concerned about MCN & we want participation in our tribal government.
We graciously request that you all keep personal insults out of your comments. That doesn't contribute anything to our topics.
We don't want to delete or ban anyone.
2010 NC Appropriations (will be updated as needed)
NCA 10-005 Kellyville Community Parking Lot $300,000.00 Hill
NCA 10-006 Checotah Comm. - Personnel (9) & Office Exp. $55,000.00 Dornan
Duck Creek Comm. - Personnel (7), Stipends & Off. Exp. $53,214.98 Dornan
Eufaula Comm. - Personnel (5) & Off. Exp. $46,400.00 Dornan
NCA 10-007 Citizen - Rent & Medical Supplies $2,002.00 Medina
NCA 10-008 MCN School Clothing Prog. - 6 Personnel $107,521.00 Anderson
NCA 10-010 4-yr old Non-Citizen - Unpaid Burial Exp. $3,150.00 Barnett
NCA 10-013 MCN Social Svcs Prog. - Food for Funerals $35,000.00 Anderson
NCA 10-014 Property into Trust - Dustin $10,000.00 Yahola
NCA 10-015 MCN Planning Dept. - Personnel & Off. Exp. $130,142.00 Ridge
NCA 10-016 Capston Counsel. & Consult. Group - Donation $2,000.00 Medina
NCA 10-018 Holdenville Comm. - Education, Progs. & Legal $178,343.00 Ade
NCA 10-020 Citizen - Past & Current Rent $2,410.00 Beaver
NCA 10-023 MCN A. G. - Litigation against State $40,000.00 Alexander
TOTAL: $965,182.98
These are the appropriations approved at last NC meeting, immediately after the Chief had
outlined in his State of the Nation report that we were running very short on income. These
are the bills which the Chief would like our Citizens' input on, if we would advise him to
VETO or not.
NCA 10-006 Checotah Comm. - Personnel (9) & Office Exp. $55,000.00 Dornan
Duck Creek Comm. - Personnel (7), Stipends & Off. Exp. $53,214.98 Dornan
Eufaula Comm. - Personnel (5) & Off. Exp. $46,400.00 Dornan
NCA 10-007 Citizen - Rent & Medical Supplies $2,002.00 Medina
NCA 10-008 MCN School Clothing Prog. - 6 Personnel $107,521.00 Anderson
NCA 10-010 4-yr old Non-Citizen - Unpaid Burial Exp. $3,150.00 Barnett
NCA 10-013 MCN Social Svcs Prog. - Food for Funerals $35,000.00 Anderson
NCA 10-014 Property into Trust - Dustin $10,000.00 Yahola
NCA 10-015 MCN Planning Dept. - Personnel & Off. Exp. $130,142.00 Ridge
NCA 10-016 Capston Counsel. & Consult. Group - Donation $2,000.00 Medina
NCA 10-018 Holdenville Comm. - Education, Progs. & Legal $178,343.00 Ade
NCA 10-020 Citizen - Past & Current Rent $2,410.00 Beaver
NCA 10-023 MCN A. G. - Litigation against State $40,000.00 Alexander
TOTAL: $965,182.98
These are the appropriations approved at last NC meeting, immediately after the Chief had
outlined in his State of the Nation report that we were running very short on income. These
are the bills which the Chief would like our Citizens' input on, if we would advise him to
VETO or not.
Chief's 2010 Policy - Responsibility and Accountibility
New topic, as requested.
Moderator, please start a new topic with these attached Links...
I am very happy with Chief Ellis new policy of responsibility and accountability started for 2010.
http://premium.fileden.com/premium/2008/2/18/1765574/CitizensFeedbackJan2010.pdf
http://premium.fileden.com/premium/2008/2/18/1765574/VotingNotes(QrtlyMtg).pdf
Moderator, please start a new topic with these attached Links...
I am very happy with Chief Ellis new policy of responsibility and accountability started for 2010.
http://premium.fileden.com/premium/2008/2/18/1765574/CitizensFeedbackJan2010.pdf
http://premium.fileden.com/premium/2008/2/18/1765574/VotingNotes(QrtlyMtg).pdf
Department of Justice Press Release
Request for new topic:
Cheyenne-Arapaho Tribal Officials Convicted of Conspiracy and Embezzlement from the Tribe
http://oklahomacity.fbi.gov/dojpressrel/pressrel10/ok020410.htm
AMENDMENT NEEDED for COUNCIL
VOC is putting this topic out, although it would be just another policy or law that would simply be ignored or trashed. A Code of Conduct is a self-policing of actions, mostly based on ethics and laws, possibly with common sense thrown in. That is the reason we think any such code would be ignored or trashed.
State and Condition - Complex Tribal & Housing Buildings
New Topic Subject Suggestion, as requested by Anonymous 2/5/2010 - 5:44AM.
The . I'd like to see a laundry list of the conditions within the buildings where employees (in theory) spend 8 hours a day, five days a week.
The . I'd like to see a laundry list of the conditions within the buildings where employees (in theory) spend 8 hours a day, five days a week.
For Love of the Game - 2nd Verse
New topic, as requested.
NOTE: We have been through this a lot in the past. Let's keep it from being hear-say only. We do know of a few other facts, which will stay tabled for now.
NOTE: We have been through this a lot in the past. Let's keep it from being hear-say only. We do know of a few other facts, which will stay tabled for now.
CITIZENS' RIGHT TO KNOW? - TRANSPARENCY IN GOV'T?
In looking up the "Status of Legislation" on the Council's webpage, we note that the last record posted was the B & G Meeting of September 17, 2009.
What has happened to October, November and December legislations?
We have heard talk that the new speaker has stated that the citizens will not hear anything until the council has voted on any legislation or has made their decisions. Is this what is happening, although those have been voted on? What is the Speaker's personal agenda if he has made that decision. No transparency? Don't want us citizens to know or find out what he's up to?
What has happened to October, November and December legislations?
We have heard talk that the new speaker has stated that the citizens will not hear anything until the council has voted on any legislation or has made their decisions. Is this what is happening, although those have been voted on? What is the Speaker's personal agenda if he has made that decision. No transparency? Don't want us citizens to know or find out what he's up to?
CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENTS--Citizens Voted YES, 26 Councilors Vote NO
NEW TOPIC, AS REQUESTED --- 1/21/2010 @ 9:52PM.
Reminder from VOC that there are 2 or 3 other topic areas relating to this subject.
Reminder from VOC that there are 2 or 3 other topic areas relating to this subject.
COUNCIL MEMBERS' ACTIONS
We have heard that Travis Scott is now trying to get rid of Terry Fish, Council Secretary.
We have to ask what is his grievance with her?
Remember, he did the same identical thing with Rita Williams?
Is he taking orders from higher powers?
We have to ask what is his grievance with her?
Remember, he did the same identical thing with Rita Williams?
Is he taking orders from higher powers?
ARE CITIZENS ALL TALK, with NO ACTION?
New Topic, as Requested (This is not a comment from VOC. It was posted in wrong place by a non-computer litterate member.)
1/13/2010 8:11 AM Anonymous wrote:
The VOC Model
There is one thing that works in the Creek Nation that directly serves citizens and that is the Voices of Courage website, and the reason for that is straight-forward-- there is nothing that stands between the VOC and citizens. Citizens do not have to fight through a puzzle of rules and regulations to get their voices heard. It’s a straight shot from citizen to citizen, with no bureaucracy between them.
Not so with the Language Program. It’s the usual story that after five years of its existence the Language Program has not come close to laying the groundwork for restoring our language. It has like so many other programs in the Creek Nation that began with grand expectation is now existing for its own purpose, which is to exist. It has become a casualty of its bureaucracy -- an organization whose employees are arranged in ranks of power and seniority and who duties have crystallized into established routine. It has the look of something fixed and comfortable and defined, just like what might be expected in a bureaucratically inclined nation like ours produces.
The Language Program is just one example that we should not give our good ideas -- those things that are important to citizens -- to the Creek Nation to implement. The Creek Nation as the biggest bureaucratic daddy of all produces little ones of its own, of which the latest is the Language Program. Bureaucracies can’t solve problems or make things work. The Creek Nation operating as a bureaucracy proves that.
Citizens would do well to emulate The VOC Model. The idea to create the VOC website began in the minds of people like you and me -- citizens who we probably see all the time, and by people who were frustrated and angry, like you and me. There may have been bitching and moaning among them, but it didn‘t stop there -- it began there! --unlike what you and I do. The VOC Model expresses the exact opposite to a bureaucratic way of doing something. Bureaucrats think in terms of rules and regulations, and that if their bureaucracy is not working, that more rules and regulation are required to enforce the original rules and regulations.
The VOC Model is a citizen initiated project that did not wait for the Creek Tribe to do anything and that is why it is established and working. How unfortunate that citizens squander their personal abilities and put their Nation in jeopardy by relying on a government that has demonstrated colossal ineptness in place of doing something they could be doing themselves.
Reply to this
1/13/2010 8:11 AM Anonymous wrote:
The VOC Model
There is one thing that works in the Creek Nation that directly serves citizens and that is the Voices of Courage website, and the reason for that is straight-forward-- there is nothing that stands between the VOC and citizens. Citizens do not have to fight through a puzzle of rules and regulations to get their voices heard. It’s a straight shot from citizen to citizen, with no bureaucracy between them.
Not so with the Language Program. It’s the usual story that after five years of its existence the Language Program has not come close to laying the groundwork for restoring our language. It has like so many other programs in the Creek Nation that began with grand expectation is now existing for its own purpose, which is to exist. It has become a casualty of its bureaucracy -- an organization whose employees are arranged in ranks of power and seniority and who duties have crystallized into established routine. It has the look of something fixed and comfortable and defined, just like what might be expected in a bureaucratically inclined nation like ours produces.
The Language Program is just one example that we should not give our good ideas -- those things that are important to citizens -- to the Creek Nation to implement. The Creek Nation as the biggest bureaucratic daddy of all produces little ones of its own, of which the latest is the Language Program. Bureaucracies can’t solve problems or make things work. The Creek Nation operating as a bureaucracy proves that.
Citizens would do well to emulate The VOC Model. The idea to create the VOC website began in the minds of people like you and me -- citizens who we probably see all the time, and by people who were frustrated and angry, like you and me. There may have been bitching and moaning among them, but it didn‘t stop there -- it began there! --unlike what you and I do. The VOC Model expresses the exact opposite to a bureaucratic way of doing something. Bureaucrats think in terms of rules and regulations, and that if their bureaucracy is not working, that more rules and regulation are required to enforce the original rules and regulations.
The VOC Model is a citizen initiated project that did not wait for the Creek Tribe to do anything and that is why it is established and working. How unfortunate that citizens squander their personal abilities and put their Nation in jeopardy by relying on a government that has demonstrated colossal ineptness in place of doing something they could be doing themselves.
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ReConfirmation of Judge Moore
New topic as requested by NDN - 1/10/10 7:45PM
NDN's Comments: I would like to start a subject on the upcoming "Confirmation of the re-nominee for MCN District Judge - Moore". I have heard several rumors that he may not be re-confirmed to serve as Judge. I personally believe he is a greater asset to our nation that a lot of our elected officials. He has a true heart for his people. I hope that his works are not overlooked. He has made very difficult decisions - decisions that I am sure would be difficult for an average person. I believe he is one of a few knowledgeable and helpful people left in our tribe. I could be wrong but I also believe he has our tribe in his heart and soul. I hope he is re-confirmed to the position of District Judge; I will pray for him and his family - as again I believe he serves in a very difficult position and has made difficult decision. And at the end of the day - he has done his best to serve our nation and our people.
NDN's Comments: I would like to start a subject on the upcoming "Confirmation of the re-nominee for MCN District Judge - Moore". I have heard several rumors that he may not be re-confirmed to serve as Judge. I personally believe he is a greater asset to our nation that a lot of our elected officials. He has a true heart for his people. I hope that his works are not overlooked. He has made very difficult decisions - decisions that I am sure would be difficult for an average person. I believe he is one of a few knowledgeable and helpful people left in our tribe. I could be wrong but I also believe he has our tribe in his heart and soul. I hope he is re-confirmed to the position of District Judge; I will pray for him and his family - as again I believe he serves in a very difficult position and has made difficult decision. And at the end of the day - he has done his best to serve our nation and our people.
National Council & Robert Trepp vs. Election Board, Chief and Constitution Commission
Per your request, a new topic.
Now here comes Robert Trepp when we thought the crap was over....
http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/2/18/1765574/Now%20here%20%20comes%20Robert%20Trepp.pdf
Are we paying for this one? Your money!
Now here comes Robert Trepp when we thought the crap was over....
http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/2/18/1765574/Now%20here%20%20comes%20Robert%20Trepp.pdf
Are we paying for this one? Your money!
IRS Auctions Reservation Land
This is what the IRS can do to tribal lands --- This just happened to the Crow Creek Sioux Tribe in So. Dakota (12/3/09).
They auctioned off about 7,100 acres, owned by Crow Creek Tribal Farms, a corp formed under tribal laws.
The tribe owed over $3 million in back taxes, penalties & interest. Estimated value of land: Over $4.6 million. Sold for a little over $2.5 million.
The crime: Apparently delinquent in Federal employment taxes since 2003.
Tribe maintains they received erroneous tax advice from the BIA, and were also told that since it was a federally recognized tribe, it was not necessary to pay federal employment taxes.
Supposedly, land will not change hands yet, until after a tentative trial date has been set for March 29-30, 2010.
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I just wonder if our Creek communities, smoke shops, Trade & Commerce, etc. are adhering to the laws of employment taxes. This could happen to us or any other tribe. There are some taxes we do have to pay.
They auctioned off about 7,100 acres, owned by Crow Creek Tribal Farms, a corp formed under tribal laws.
The tribe owed over $3 million in back taxes, penalties & interest. Estimated value of land: Over $4.6 million. Sold for a little over $2.5 million.
The crime: Apparently delinquent in Federal employment taxes since 2003.
Tribe maintains they received erroneous tax advice from the BIA, and were also told that since it was a federally recognized tribe, it was not necessary to pay federal employment taxes.
Supposedly, land will not change hands yet, until after a tentative trial date has been set for March 29-30, 2010.
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I just wonder if our Creek communities, smoke shops, Trade & Commerce, etc. are adhering to the laws of employment taxes. This could happen to us or any other tribe. There are some taxes we do have to pay.
cobell settlement
NEW TOPIC PLEASE.
http://www.cobellsettlement.com/
For those Individual Indian Beneficiaries:
For more information on the Settlement or if you believe you are an individual Indian beneficiary, including an Individual Indian Money (IIM) Account Holder or heir of an IIM Account Holder, view Settlement Information for American Indians.
http://www.cobellsettlement.com/
For those Individual Indian Beneficiaries:
For more information on the Settlement or if you believe you are an individual Indian beneficiary, including an Individual Indian Money (IIM) Account Holder or heir of an IIM Account Holder, view Settlement Information for American Indians.
Issues to Tackle - Now & for the Future
Educational goals for our youth.
Who will set the goals? What would be included in the goals to help our tribe? When does goal-setting begin?
This is not a goal, but we can't allow 'history to repeat itself''. Continue teaching and relating our tribal history of why and how we are here. Include our beliefs, customs and traditions.
Better housing & medical assistance for our elders.
One of our most cherished traditions is the manner in which we have always treated our Elders. We are not passing that on to our younger generations.
Who will set the goals? What would be included in the goals to help our tribe? When does goal-setting begin?
This is not a goal, but we can't allow 'history to repeat itself''. Continue teaching and relating our tribal history of why and how we are here. Include our beliefs, customs and traditions.
Better housing & medical assistance for our elders.
One of our most cherished traditions is the manner in which we have always treated our Elders. We are not passing that on to our younger generations.