After all, it is our (citizens) money that George is spending on his spending spree.

We haven't been anything by our council representatives, who all voted for the spending.  A question for the council members:  What did George tell you about this purchase, that you believed him?  Does it ever occur to you that on issues such as this, YOUR citizens should be consulted?  Were you elected in secret?  Did our votes for you mean our permission for you to legislate in secret?  NO.  NO.

Neither has George, Mr. Colbert or Barnett told anyone what the facts are.  The non-tribal people are told more than tribal citizens.  That is not how our government is supposed to work.  Yes, we are naive, aren't we?  And you all take advantage of that.

We would like to know who those two Creeks are, who were the sellers of the country club.  It's so hush-hush.
Was it those Eufaula residents  JOE JOHNSON and MARK DOBBS?  They both profess to be our Creek tribal citizens, so we're guessing it was them.

A case of George buying way above the appraised value, and that is where the kick-backs can be hidden from us.

VOC:  Creek citizens should all concur the right decision has been made and was a long time coming.

As previously posted by Jolie:
The NIGC just ruled the Kialegee cannot build a casino on the Giles/Capps land. What took them so long? Why didn't they take care of their business way back when the proposal was first submitted to the agency? It took a federal court to lead the way, after much effort put forth to get the matter addressed.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=685&articleid=20120525_685_0_TheNat956817&allcom=1 

Communities have been advised to attend "input" meetings to change Title 11.   This is the Title (laws) that all communities are governed by, and to operate under, on what they can do or can't do.

Last month, we were informed of a meeting scheduled for 6-14-2012 to be spearheaded by Wilson Bear of Checotah, requesting a representative from each community.

Then this week, we were notified a 2nd meeting has been scheduled for 5-29-2012, tentatively, set by Buddy York of Checotah.  Notice was on letterhead of Community Services (CR & D).  But the letter states that meeting has been planned at the Chief's direction & although CR & D is NOT involved, they encourage all communities be involved, and to have someone from each community in attendance.  (Signed by CR & D staff)

It appears to us that George has put Checotah people in charge of deciding what communities want.  No one asked our community if they wanted any of their members on such a committee, or whatever it is.  Whatever, you can bet your last dollar that Eufaula and Duck Creek aren't far behind.  Any other input will be just a farce, to be voted on and then being outvoted if Checotah and George aren't agreeable.  And we also have to remember that Cherrah Quiett Ridge is now the Director of CR & D.  And Anita Freeman was terminated, so who's in charge?

Constitution Amendment #A-67 really bothers the sitting Council members.  Their objection is mainly that they don't like to travel to other Communities outside of their own districts.  By the way, they get paid mileage for it.

They blame it on the citizens south of I-40.  It is said those citizens want to vote on their own council members, and don't want the possibility of other districts' votes to outvote theirs by voting someone they don't want.

Personally, we feel it's the councilors who don't like having to represent the entire nation.  They're lazy.  They don't like having to attend other community meetings.  And there has always been friction between those south of I-40 and those north of I-40.

New topic as requested.
New topic?

Testimony in the Kialegees case revealed some interesting facts. George Tiger (I refuse to call him Chief) has not only refused to publically state the Creek Nation's opposition to the Kialegees casino, he has been discussing providing law enforcement services to the casino with Tiger Hobia, the Kialegees chief...! George Tiger is willing to allow the Kialegees to conduct business in our jurisdiction and take much needed monies from the coffers of the Creek Nation. Tiger is a traitor to our nation and should be impeached. But that will never happen because he has un-indicted felons helping him remain in office. Tiger has much love for the almighty dollar, maybe we can buy him out!

REQUEST FOR NEW POST:

Tulsa District Court Judge Frizzell grants the State of Oklahoma a temporary injunction to halt construction of the Red Clay Casino. In his ruling, he stated that the Kialegee Tribal Town does NOT have jurisdiction over the land and is not able to lease it. Building a casino on the Giles/Capps allotment would violate the KTT's gaming compact with the State, as well as violate the Indian Gaming Regulatory Act.

It's now up to the NIGC to make its decision regarding the use of the land.

KTT attorney Dennis Whittlesey stated they would appeal the judge's decision.

http://www.newson6.com/story/18553305/federal-judge-to-issue-ruling-on-broken-arrow-casino-fight

5-17-12 Emergency Meeting  TR 12-072, sponsored by Tulsa Rep Robert Hufft
To authorize the CN to BORROW $6,185,000.00 from the 'PERMANENT FUND' to be used toward the purchase of Riverwalk Crossing and for incidentals & improvements.  (VOC:  Permanent means just that, PERMANENT, not to be touched.  And they use term BORROW, which they will never pay back either.)

PLANNING SESSION of 5-15-12
TR 12-063  Confirming nomination of JEFF FIFE as DIRECTOR of TRIBAL AFFAIRS.

TR 12-052  Confirming Re-nomination of ANGELA DIANE BARNETT MEEKER TO ELECTION BOARD.

TR 12-064  Confirming nomination of CHERRAH RIDGE as DIRECTOR of COMMUNITY SERVICES.

NCA 12-074  TO REQUIRE REFERENDUM ON A PROPOSED CORRECTING AMENDMENT OF THE MCN CONSTITUTION TO RESTORE ARTICLE VI SEC. 2 AND ARTICLE IV SEC. 8 TO ORIGINAL LANGUAGE OF THE 1979 CONSTITUTION, THEREBY ELIMINATING "AT LARGE VOTING AND AT LARGE NC REPRESENTATION, TO INCLUDE THE A67 AMENDMENT ADOPTED BY THE CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION LIMITING THE NATIONAL COUNCIL MEMBERS TO 16.  Sponsored by E. LaGrone.  (VOC:  This piece of legislation is meant to throw out, nullifying all the votes of the voters who passed this new law.  If you voted for that amendment, what does it mean to have your vote tossed out into the wind as if your vote means nothing?)

PREFACE YOUR COMMENT WITH  "DO NOT APPROVE THIS COMMENT" FOR PRIVACY, AND IT WILL NOT BE POSTED.  INFORMATION WILL BE FORWARDED TO CHARLES.



VOC has shut down comments on original topic which was "TO HELP CHARLES", because too many comments have strayed too far off the topic.

If you want to comment on other issues, please request a new topic as VOC usually complies.

PREFACE YOUR COMMENT WITH  "DO NOT APPROVE THIS COMMENT" FOR PRIVACY, AND IT WILL NOT BE POSTED.  INFORMATION WILL BE FORWARDED TO CHARLES.


(Please people.  Stay within the area of the topic.  If another topic is needed, please request it and we may comply.)


 5/16/2012  VOC has shut down comments on original topic which was "TO HELP CHARLES", because too many comments have strayed too far off the topic.

New topic, as requested by "Examiner"  5-10-2012
VOC: New topic please.

What do we know so far about Tiger and his administration after the first 120 days? Well, let's compile the information and see if there is legitimately concern over his administration. I'll break this down month by month and I'm only going off of fact and not heresay. There will be one heresay argument but other than that nothing that can't be documented.

March: Tiger is the seat b representative for the Creek District and is in court about the Kialegee controversy. Tiger is there and says his "opinion differs from Ellis." Ellis' lawyer, Wiemer, was there because Ellis sent him. He didn't approve of the Kialegee's trying to build a casino.

September: Tiger is elected with the most votes of all the offices and districts. There was a 200 vote difference between the Principal Chief and Second Chief.

November: Tiger is elected along with the entire National Council incumbents, except Coachman.

December: Construction at the Kialegee casino begins and no one from the Creek Nation except Ellis and Jason Nichols speak out against the development.

January: Tiger is inauguarated. Many employees are fired, resigned or unconfirmed while Tiger puts in former members who served under Ellis, Beaver and Fife. An example would be Yonne Tiger, Jerry Wilson, Roger Wiley, Nelson Johnson, Greg Bigler, Edwin Marshall and Seneca Smith. There are many prominent staff members who are placed on the executive cabinet that are friends of Tiger or Barnett. They include J.D. Colbert, Cherrah Quiett, Jeff Fife, Christina Good Voice, Lucy Spaudling, Paula Willits, to name a few. Let's not forget the pick of the litter, Ms. Johnna Townsend. None of the jobs were promoted and this is just a list to name a few.
Later that month, Tiger issued a statement that the Muscogee (Creek )Nation would look into the matter of the Kialegee casino and would only support it if it came from both the executive and legislative branches of government.

March: Johnna Townsend is fired from Creek Nation. Allegations of adultery have floundered around the Nation. Cherrah Ridge-Quiett and Tiger's stepdaughter were the cause of the problem. The resolution to be in opposition of the Kialegee casino failed to be over ridden. Sam couldn't vote. Those in favor of the veto were of course in Tiger's pocket: Ade, Wind, Greene, Medina, Jones and Ridge-Quiett. Those voting for the casino plans have yet to investigate the matter fully.

April: Tiger purchases the Riverwalk and J.D. Colbert is then placed in charged to develope and for oversight. A few new staff changes.

May: Tiger's administration purchases the Okmulgee Country Club and passes resolutions to spend the funds in the permanent fund. On the may 5 election, Tiger's brother comes in second in the run-off election against Dode Warrington Barnett. Less that 1600 people cast their vote in this election.

Other than being an adulterer, what else has Tiger done?

Wagoner:   Has a clear winner.

 Mark Randolph        1,436 votes      78.10%
 Barbara Gillespie        403 votes      21.90%

Creek:  Will have a run-off      
Dodie W. Barnett         525 votes      27.97%                 
Frances Morgan         224 votes      11.93%            
Larry Thayer              412 votes       21.95%                
Dean Tiger                 476 votes       25.36%                
Roman Watashe         240 votes      12.79%

We know they would be voting on the 2nd Speaker position, vacated by the resignation of Cherrah (Quiett) Ridge.
Haven't even found out who all were vying for the position.

There were 3 people who were being confirmed or re-confirmed for positions.

As is now the usual, there was no agenda posted online for today's meeting.  Sam did his job, to keep us all uninformed, which appears to be his and the NC's intent.

If one complains, one is told that one could attend the meetings if one wants to know what is going on!

2nd version of topic has been opened as the 1st version has become too long.  Thank you.

WHO ARE THEY?  DO ANY OF YOU KNOW?
Backgrounds and such.

ELECTION TO BE HELD JULY 7, 2012.

CREEK DISTRICT--SEAT B

DoDe Warrington Barnett ____________?


DEAN TIGER_________________?

Chief Tiger's brother, got terminated from housing for being missing for several days while driving tribal car, when he finally showed up and was sent to personnel to be terminated he was intoxicated and had a half finished beer in his inside coat pocket. true story


How would you fill in the blanks??

NEW TOPIC --- Submitted by 'I Voted'.

Here's your answer to the ? on Emergency Session last night

TULSA, Oklahoma - The Muscogee Creek Nation purchased Jenks Riverwalk Crossing on Tuesday morning in a Tulsa County Sheriff's foreclosed property auction. Chief George Tiger was the successful - and only - bidder at $11,500,000.

Tiger told News On 6 that the Creek Nation held an emergency meeting Monday night to approve the purchase and bid amount. They must post 10 percent of the purchase price by 1 p.m. Wednesday, he said.

"We're very excited about the purchase," Chief Tiger said. "It was kind of a whirlwind effort, if you will."

The Riverside Crossing property includes upscale restaurants, retail shops and a movie theater. Tiger said the Nation has planned to diversify their holdings, and the location is convenient to their Riverside casino.

They plan to hire a management firm and use the full resources of the Creek Nation to improve the shopping center, Tiger said.

Deputy Ed Pierce of the Tulsa County Sheriff's Office said that the property was the first lot up at auction Tuesday morning.
Word is that there were NO OTHER bidders.  According to Deputy Ed Pierce (above), it sounds like another of those done deals, whereas no one else knew about the auction.  Different sources are also stating  there is more involved than $11,500,000.00 as being reported.  How about $20,000,000?  Now where is that figure coming from, George and MCN Council Members?  Where is George going to get that kind of funding?  Tell us, it's the citizens' money you planning to spend.  You didn't even have the consideration to publish your agenda, as required on procedures of the NC, to be informative & transparent to the citizens.  Those types of actions make it harder for us to trust you or believe you.  Truthfully, a lot of the rental spaces are EMPTY in that River Walk.

New Omniplex Multi-purpose building has been shut down as of 5:00pm, 4-10-2012 until further notice..
Executive Order 12-03 from George (excerpt).:

PURPOSE: .......... to uphold fiduciary duties to protect the general welfare of the citizens and property of the Nation.

FINDINGS:  1.   George has consulted with engineering & construction experts who have determined that the strength & structural integrity of the multi-purpose building has been compromised during its construction & completion, and some of the materials used to complete the building are of substandard quality which need to be replaced.
2.  Thorough review of all construction & materials used to complete the multi-purpose building should be completed by structural engineers & construction experts to ensure that the building is safe for our citizens and the general public.

No person shall be allowed in the building except for structural engineers, construction experts, and designated individuals that will be assessing the structure and making recommendations.
 It is unknown if the assessment & recommendations will be completed by the date of the Festival but we will be kept informed.
..............................................................................................................................
It sounds fishy to us.  Is it under "warranty"?  Wonder what brought this on.  Cracked ceilings & walls, leaks or what?   It also sounds as if the "experts" have already been chosen and have already made their assessments.  Probably some contractor friends, or will George go the way of proper bidding process?  Just maybe someone from previous administration need to keep their eyes and ears open because this could turn into a "slam-dunk" AGAINST them for revenge, just to make someone look bad, the way George & pals like to operate.  Sorry, the guy can't be trusted and must always be watched.  Pretty sad.

(4/22/12  VOC is closing this topic, but will open another one titled:  #2 Latest MCN News or Any Other News of Late.  No more comments can be posted here but can still be read.)

New topic, as requested.    NEW TOPIC PLEASE?

More information is needed about the "CONFRONTATION" between Johnna Townsend, Francis Tiger's daughter, Chief Tiger and Cherrah Quiett. It happened at the Mound before Regular Session NC Meeting last Saturday, March 31, 2012.

The Mound is a public place and outbreaks of this nature involving Chief Tiger, Ms. Quiett and two other women was not appropriate for our Nation.

This is nothing less than SEXUAL HARASSMENT from Chief Tiger. Johnna Townsend is a single mother that didn't have a job and Chief Tiger built her up in public, bragging about the great job she is doing, how much money she has raised for MCN and now we hear he has fired her?

SEXUAL HARASSMENT is a Federal Crime and not even Chief Tiger is exempt from Federal Law.

NEW TOPIC SUGGESTION.  MODS, is this worth a new topic?

Look's like the UKB is not content to confine its gaming operations to NE Oklahoma. UKB apparently planning to expand to the SC coast, not too far from Hilton Head. Should M(C)N be making similar plans to expand to new markets?

It certainly looks like the locals are supportive.

"HARDEEVILLE (SC) — Jobs have always seemed elusive in impoverished Jasper County on South Carolina’s southern tip near Savannah.

Residents have waited decades for a $500 million container port to be built on the South Carolina side of the Savannah River. And a retail complex requiring state incentives could have meant 2,500 jobs but was scuttled by lawmakers.

Now, local officials are pinning their hopes on a proposal for an upscale resort, shopping and entertainment complex that could create upward of 4,000 jobs.

“We’ve been shooting at the hoop for a long time, and we’re still hoping to score,” said Bronco Bostick, who has been mayor of Hardeeville for four years and on the town council for 16.

The challenge is that the complex proposed for the Hilton Head Lakes development about two miles off Interstate 95 will include a casino — something developers say is crucial for its success but also might be a roadblock to getting needed approval from Gov. Nikki Haley.

Such approval is needed under the federal Indian Gaming Regulatory Act that would govern the casino operation. The casino would be operated by the United Keetoowah Band of Cherokee Indians, which would own the land on which the casino is built, said Joe Brinn, managing partner for the development.

Plans call for what developers hope will be designated a four-star hotel with an upscale indoor shopping arcade, golf and a convention center that can seat 2,000 people.

The casino “is the engine that makes the train run. It’s the driving force,” Brinn said. “It’s not a huge part of it, but it’s the central thing that will make it work. Without it, you couldn’t put together an entertainment resort like this.”

According to an analysis put together for the developers, the impact of the resort would be $270 million annually for the state’s $15 billion tourism industry.

The whole article:

http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20120402/PC16/120409839&slId=8

Meeting not convened until 11:02am

1st item on agenda :  Veto override vote on George's veto of Sam's NC resolution REGARDING KIALEGEE.
Lot of discussion/comments.  Nichols spoke up well with reasons to override,  and last to speak on issue,
NONE OTHER THAN OLE GEORGE.
NC FAILED TO OVER RIDE THE VETO 10 YES & 5 NO.  They need 12 to override.

2nd item on agenda:  $250,000 donation to OKC Indian Cultural Center.  NOT ON AGENDA.  I'm certain it was the usual intention of waiting until the Pre-Agenda session to insert the legislation.
Not any discussion, EXCEPT OLE GEORGE WENT TO PODIUM TO POINT THE NC INTO THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
Bill passed  14 Yes - 2 No.

At this point I left.  No purpose in the NC having public meetings.  All pre-ordained if ole George is going to be there to intimidate and speak up for all legislation that comes up for a vote that he personally wants passed.  Showboating?  Yes.

New topic, please.
Do citizens know that our government officials can steal all they want from us and there is nothing we can do about it?

I’ve heard it said many times on this site that when the U.S. government gets tired of all the corruption that is being perpetrated on the citizens of the Creek Nation, they will say enough is enough, and the “feds will come in and take it over.” No way. Our elected officials can steal all the money they can get their hands on, and as long as the citizens don’t stop them, and they are squared away with the IRS, they are good to go. Remember? We’re sovereign, and what we do within the borders of our Nation is no else’s business.

Rocket Gaming Systems® is a federally registered trademark of the Miami Tribe of Oklahoma Business Development Authority, a wholly owned economic enterprise of the Miami Tribe of Oklahoma.

The Miami Tribe of Oklahoma Business Development Authority

The MBDA was created in April 1999 to establish and organize tribal business enterprises and to acquire property for the purposes of reducing unemployment, raising revenues, and promoting the economic welfare of the Tribe.

The MBDA is governed by a seven member Board. Each member serves a 10-year term. Terms for the current Board members will expire in September 2019. Current Board members are:

Gerald Danforth, Chairman (member since 2011) Tribal member of the Oneida Nation of Wisconsin Johnny LaFalier, Vice-Chairman (member since 1999) Tribal member of the Miami Tribe of Oklahoma Ronnie W. Harris, Secretary-Treasurer (member since 1999) Non-Tribal Member Mr. Harris also serves as CEO/President of the MBDA  Nelson Johnson (member since 1999) Tribal member of the Muscogee-Creek Nation Jerry Lankford (member since 1999) Tribal member of the Miami Tribe of Oklahoma Frank Leonard (member since 1999) Tribal member of the Miami Tribe of Oklahoma Neal L. Watson (member since 2002) Tribal member of the Miami Tribe of Oklahoma   Nelson Johnson is now the new Muscogee (Creek) Nation Gaming Commissioner, who was terminated by Chief Ellis.    He is crooked & corrupting.  See the connection about Rocket, Johnson and George?  BIG CONFLICT OF INTEREST.

TR 12-039 (Ridge)  Tribal resolution to execute general conveyance, assignment and assumption agreement.
                                (What is being given away and who is assuming?)
NCA 12-061 (Ridge)  Law creating MCN Business Development authority, est. a Bd of Directors of the Business
                                  Development Authority & defining purpose & powers of the Board.
NCA 12-062 (Ridge)  Law authorizing Chief Tiger to BORROW PERMANENT FUND MONIES for
                                  implementation of the Agreement between the Business Development Authority and the
                                  MIAMI TRIBE OF OKLA. BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY----- $25,000,000.00
                                  (We have always been told that permanent fund was exactly that, PERMANENT, and all
                                  we could touch was the interest from the fund.  New (old) Gaming Commissioner Nelson
                                  Johnson is part & parcel of Miami tribe, with his Rocket Gaming Machines.)
NCA 12-041 (Beaver)  Amending MCNCA TITLE 37, §2-129 "Murrow Indian Children's.  (Usually means more
                                   $$.)
NCA 12-048  (Ade)   Law amending MCNCA TITLE 37, §2-719 entitled "SALARY" to amend language regarding
                                  the CONTROLLER COMPENSATION.  (Salary is fixed, compensation can be readily
                                  changed, so Pratt is probably flexing his deal for coming back.)
NCA 12-052 (Hufft)   Appropriating funds to the MCN Economic Development Committee - $500,000.00  (We
                                  think they should be making money instead of being given money to do Economic
                                  Development.)
NCA 12-057 (Hill)      Appropriation for Communications Department for additional equipment. - $43,990.00.
                                  (According to Johnna Townsend, she is bringing in so much ad money, they should just
                                  wait for her to make George force casinos to buy more ads.  Says she is financing MCN
                                  Festival with her Ad sales.)
TR 12-017 (Alexander)  TRIBAL RESOLUTION CLARIFYING THE ISSUE OF AN ATTEMPTED
                                  DEVELOPMENT BY THE KIALEGEE TRIBAL TOWN OF A TRIBAL CASINO ON A 
                                  RESTRICTED CREEK ALLOTMENT LOCATED IN BROKEN ARROW, AND THE TRIBAL 
                                  POSITION -- Postponed 2/16/2012.  (Don't know what needs to be clarified.)

Folks, there are a lot more legislation posted on the MCN website.  Check it out and keep checking out that
website.  At this point, it is really short of information but we can keep hoping for improvement.


                         

George VETOED that NC Resolution that Sam and some NC members passed (while George was out of town).

Come Saturday at NC meeting, that vetoed resolution will be up for a vote to override.  Sam states that he is for an override.

This is the EXACT same scenario made in a previous comment.  It is all geared to keep the dirt off George whereas he can say "I tried" to Kialegee.  Probably all a set-up.

Read the 3-27-2012 front page of the Tulsa World newspaper.  I wonder if this news is on our OWN MCN website!

There are many questions the citizens would like to have our leaders answer.  This is directly related to the fact that there is absolutely no "TRANSPARENCY" in this new government.  That is one thing George Tiger continued to repeat in his speeches before the election - particularly in his inaugural speech.

The MCN website is terribly lacking.  Any information to the citizens is nil. We know nothing.  We don't even have an inkling of who is in charge of all departments, who is new, who is gone.  WE DO WANT TO KNOW WHO TO BLAME, DON'T WE?

Regardless of how anyone may perceive the administration of Chief Ellis, they kept all of us updated on a lot of happenings, like proposed legislation, who voted for what, events or other tribal-related issues.  For that, we thank Chief Ellis.  He truly believed it was his duty to keep the citizens informed, which is how it is supposed to be and we all appreciated that.

(VOC:  We have added to Topic title because some of you may have been at that meeting with George on 3-23-12, and we would like to hear what he is going to do.)

I think we should make a list of all those employees who have been terminated OR demoted.

Also a list of the new administration's new hires?

How long will it take to see positive results, we will have to wait and see.

TO VOC: Pease start a new topic.  This is to give everyone a chance to get questions ready in writing for Mr. Tigers requested meeting with all the communities that will happen soon. He should answer why he does or dosen't want to sign the tribal resolution that was just passed by the National Council to prohibit the new KTT casino. It should be noted that his ignoring the tribal resolution (pocket veto) is the same as approving the casino.

(VOC:  This meeting is the PM of 3/23/2012 at the Omniplex.  A coming together of all Communities.)


3/22/2012  VOC:  Comments for this topic has been closed.

For one, George cannot get certain words to come out of his mouth like: 
1.  THE MCN WILL NOT ALLOW ANY OTHER TRIBE TO OPEN ANY CASINOS WITHIN OUR BOUNDARIES!  PERIOD.  No other explanation is needed.

2.  Why is Barry Switzer showing up at George events?  We sort of know but need to hear more.

3.  As seen in 3/8/2012 Tulsa World.  In trying to revive "INTER-TRIBAL COUNCIL OF THE FIVE CIVILIZED TRIBES,
George and Cherokee Chief Baker managed to get themselves elected President and Vice President.  The article doesn't make clear who all were there at the election, only that "scheduled to attend the meeting were Gov. Anoatubby, Chief Gregory Pyle and Chief Leonard Harjo.
George doesn't want to be the Creek Nation chief, he would rather be Chief of all other tribes & organization.  Does this Inter-tribal pay stipends?  Is George still Chair/Pres. of Haskell's Board of Regents?  What else?  At this juncture in our government, we need and want a full time Chief, not Roger Barnett or Sam Alexander making the decisions.

George and his NC friends voted against this Inter-tribal Council to continue when he was on the NC Council.  Of course that was only because Chief Ellis would be representing the tribe, whereas, George believes it to be his own personal organization.

Nothing official.  Just one of those "UN-TRANSPARENT" talk that filters down to the citizens.

The State wants $70,000,000 from the Creek Nation, might even go for $30,000,000.  Tiger is trying to negotiate with his carrot of $10,000,000 - STATE SAYS NO WAY, JOSE! or GET LOST.

We will keep on reminding you that it was George and his friends on the NC back then, when Chief Ellis had a compact that the state was ready to sign, but the NC said NO WAY, JOSE.

So this entire deal which will bankrupt our Creek Nation lies directly on the head of George Tiger.  Do not let him forget.


3-7-2012 - (VOC:  Notice to commenters.  Please keep your comments relevant to topic and refrain from the level of becoming simply derogatory and name-calling.  Make your comments helpful , sensible, and as always requested by VOC, with viable solutions in any conversation.  We don't want our site to be a chat site.  This applies to all topics on this website.)

We, the electorate, haven't been informed of anything. What gives?  Guess they're forgetting that we all get to vote for them.

Received the latest MCN Pub. today and not one mention of any tribal election, but it sure had a big spread on Eufaula Community's election.  Probably because Tom Pickering is and will still be running things and he IS a very close confidant of George Tiger.

We wouldn't have even known until someone spotted Facebook information on "ELECT ROMAN WATASHE" page with the notice that he is running for a seat.

We have heard that they're trying to change the election laws so they can include another rep for Wagoner District in addition to Johnnie Greene.  Seat was supposed to remain empty until the 2013 election.

As it is now, they don't have fully allotted slots on the NC and they want all the votes possible so they can overwhelm all their voting.

3-7-2012 - (VOC:  Notice to commenters.  Please keep your comments relevant to topic and refrain from the level of becoming simply derogatory and name-calling.  Make your comments helpful , sensible, and as always requested by VOC, with viable solutions in any conversation.  We don't want our site to be a chat site.  This applies to all topics on this website.)

Please place any pertinent comments here.  The 1st version has been closed for comments, although you can still read its comments.

(This is all due to Wisner's actions while employed as CEO of  MCN Trade & Commerce of the Enterprise Board.)

FOR RELEASE:   February 27, 2012
SUBJECT:           WISNER, Michael P., II

 MUSKOGEE, OKLAHOMA - The United States Attorney’s Office for the Eastern District of Oklahoma, announced that MICHAEL P. WISNER, II age 40, of Mandeville, Louisiana, formerly of Bixby, Oklahoma, pled guilty to an Information charging him with Conspiracy, in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 371 and Perjury, in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 1623.

Charges arose from an investigation by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms and the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

The Information alleges that from on or about June, 2008, to on or about December, 2009, in the Eastern District of Oklahoma and elsewhere, the defendant, knowingly and wilfully conspired with other persons known and unknown to the United States Attorney, transmitted or caused to be transmitted by means of a wire communication or the United States Mail, communication for the purpose to defraud the United States, the State of Oklahoma and the National Association of Attorneys General of over $2.5 million in taxes and fees on the receipt, possession, sale and distribution of cigarettes under the Master Settlement Agreement, (MSA), all in order to obtain money by means of false and fraudulent pretenses, representations and promises.  In addition, the defendant knowingly made false representations while under oath before a grand jury in the Eastern District of Oklahoma.

The Honorable Kimberly E. West, Magistrate Judge in the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Oklahoma, accepted the defendant’s guilty plea, and ordered the completion of a presentence report.  Upon its completion, sentencing will be scheduled.  The defendant remains on bond, pending sentencing.

Assistant United States Attorney Ryan Roberts represented the United States.

(VOC:  It is being reported that sentencing is deferred to see what additional information and names Wisner will give up to the Feds.  Wonder whose names he will give up, any guesses?)

The word is out this particular Council and Administration does not like the new requirements that Council members represent each and every district and get voted for by the entire nation.  They will probably say no one likes the requirements.  Or citizens complaining or is it just them?

It seems there is too much EXTRA traveling, MORE Community activities to attend and more citizens to answer to.

There could be another Constitutional Convention on the horizon for the cry babies.

VOC,  this is a request for a new topic,  by Organizer .

I would like to call for ALL tribal citizens that aren't "Full" citizens to ORGANIZE and the first thing on the agenda should be to work for change to the racist policies that are crippling OUR tribe!!!! It should be formed just like it was in the 60's for change to the racist policies of that era. It's time for all people that are being held down because of their race to say "THATS ENOUGH". Please respond to this post with your ideas.


(VOC:  Comment with positive ideas only, keeping it civil to all bloods.)

After several days of hearing about the "INAUGURATION" issue published by "Dreamcatcher Magazine", finally got a copy yesterday.  You've probably all received your copy by now. (Company from Norman, OK)  Mailed under MCN's postage permit, Stigler OK.

Now, tell us WHAT IS IT"?  IT DOESN'T MEAN A HILL OF BEANS, as it doesn't identify anybody.  Guess those close-up pictures are George Tiger's friends.  Its all lost on us since we don't know who's who.   I guess they assume we should be completely knowledgeable.  But it isn't good journalism.

It's a very slick publication.  Now, did the MCN pay for printing and postage?  Total waste and just an example of their manner of thinking.  Spend, spend & spend some more.
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Another thought.  We have spent time watching the MCN Communication's Television show on Saturday afternoons.  George Tiger has that department in his pockets!  Every show since Tiger became Chief, there has been a featured segment on the show on Tiger.
And Tiger's fat face (enlarged) has been on the  MCN Newspaper's cover on every issue.  Hope that group of reporters can find someone else to feature out of over 71,000 citizens now and then.  We know he is the Chief, but they don't have to shove it down our throats or remind us constantly. And they used to complain that Chief Ellis censored the paper!

New topic, as requested by REVIEWER.
VOC New Topic, please.

It's that time. With the first 45 days of the administration gone, let's review and see how the Tiger administration is doing so far. Remember folks, we're stuck with him for the next 1,414 days. Then we can boot him out. Well, let's hope we can boot him out. If not, then we're doomed.

Since his inauguration on January 2 (remember, the constitution states that the Principal Chief begins his term of office on the first Monday following the New Year).
-Fired Creek and non-Creek employees that neither supported him nor could he benefit from.
-Reinstated appointed positions that are all in his back pocket. Pratt, Wiley, Bigler, Lighthorse Chief, Marshall, etc. May I add that the Euchee tribe is currently working on seeking recognition and now we have a Euchee District Court judge?
-Secretly supports the Kialegee casino being built by the developers who may have funded his and Roger Barnett's campaign.
-Received a pay increase from $100,000 to $125,000 while the employees have yet to receive a pay increase.
-Reinstated the chartered communities (but can't give back the money like he may have promised)
-Talked with the democratic caucus of the Oklahoma legislature in which he talked about the Indian liason position, the museum and about Oklahoma being "Native America."  None of this pertains to the Muscogee (Creek) Nation directly. Oh and how he hopes to work with Gov. Fallin who has reportedly refused to speak with Tiger and his administration and is supporting the lawsuit from the Attorney General's office on the Kialegee.
-Is still looking for qualified people to fill positions. Positions that neither pay a good amount or are being held by already competent and qualified individuals.
The good news is that the tribe is still there.
Did anyone else get the propaganda sent out by his office? I didn't get just one, two, or three but I got FOUR pictures of George Tiger to use for toilet paper when the world ends and I need something to wipe my cepo.
Least we can say that he still "walks in two worlds and the people have spoken."
He may have been worried too cause I saw him in Bristow this past weekend and boy did he look like someone got him spooked.

From February 8, 2012 Tulsa World

Their civil lawsuit states they were terminated because of their active support for former Chief Chad Smith.
Four fired employees filed civil lawsuit accusing Chief Baker of wrongfully and maliciously firing them.

Apparently ten employees' jobs were terminated on Baker's first day in office.

The lawsuit seeks $250,000 in general damages, plus special damages to be determined at trial, attorneys fees and $1 million in punitive damages.

Sounds very familiar, doesn't it? 

Mods: new topic please.  (As requested)

2/9/12 Tulsa World:

Freedmen descendants petition U.S. for their own Oklahoma tribe

The descendants of former slaves of Muscogee (Creek) Nation members have petitioned the U.S. government to be recognized as their own tribe - a move that could set a legal precedent for thousands of Indian freedmen descendants around the country.

The petition meets the requirements set by the U.S. Bureau of Indian Affairs and should be accepted, the freedmen group's leader said.

If accepted, the petition could make the Creek freedmen descendants the first such group to become their own separate tribe.

The group's leaders are now waiting for BIA officials to confirm that they have accepted the petition and have begun reviewing it.

Ron Graham, the 47-year-old president of the Muscogee Creek Indian Freedman Band, was raised as a Creek Indian until he was 15.

But he and other Creek freedmen descendants were kicked out of the Creek Nation in 1979 by a vote of the nation's members.

Graham's father, Theodore "Blue" Graham, practiced the traditions of his Indian heritage, including his participation in stomp dances, in his hometown of Okmulgee, which is also the headquarters of the Creek Nation, Graham said.

"That's why this is so dear to me," he said. "I was born and raised in the Creek Nation right there in Okmulgee. ... We just want to be federally recognized, because that's who we are."

Edwin Marshall, Creek Nation chief of staff, said the tribe has no comment because the freedmen descendants now have no affiliation with the Creek Nation.

Marshall said the tribe properly conducted a referendum to remove the freedmen descendants from the Creek Nation rolls and that the descendants are starting a new entity.

Freedmen were the former slaves of Indians and were guaranteed full rights and privileges to the tribes to which they had belonged in the U.S. Treaty of 1866.

"We're Creek Indians. We are also of African descent. It's hard for people to believe, but ... we're both, though, That's how it is," Graham said.

The descendants have since become a central part of tribal sovereignty issues, as several tribes, including the Cherokee Nation, have also voted to expel freedmen descendants from their ranks.

Tribal leaders often attribute a resentment of the treaty to the U.S. government's repeated violation of it while forcing tribes to adhere to it.

The votes to expel freedmen descendants are the result of tribes' seeking to allow enrollment only of Indians with traceable bloodlines to the tribe.

However, Graham and other Creek freedmen descendants can show bloodlines tracing back to nonfreedmen Indians, unlike other groups of freedmen.

Additionally, the criteria for becoming a federally recognized tribe doesn't require proof of Indian blood, Graham said. The standards just require proof that the tribe's members have ancestors on the original Indian rolls, which the Creek freedmen do.

Any new comments can be posted here.

1.   That the Muscogee (Creek) Nation is planning to give $3.2 million to Kialegee, toward its casino.

2.   That George and LuAnn Bear are working on a housing deal between themselves, to enable George to
       move to Sapulpa.

3.   That George is planning to use a River Spirit parking lot (SE corner of 81st & Riverside) as a heliport, I guess
       for a helicopter he must be buying.  You know MCN has so much money to throw around.

IT'S UP TO ALL OF US TO TRY TO FIND OUT THE TRUTH OF THESE STORIES.  WE AREN'T MAKING THEM UP.  WE HAVE BEEN INFORMED BY PRETTY RELIABLE CITIZENS.

VOC, could we get a new topic?  (Requested by Curious One Too)

Is it time for our tribe to start using party labels like the white folks?
We can use "Liberal", "Conservative", "Ultra Liberal", "Ultra Conservative", or some such.

Don't bring up Red or White Stick. That is too good for our present day politicians.
 
This way, a politician could be more easily identified. There are ways to do this. Think about it.

New topic maybe?  (VOC is opening a new topic as suggested.)

It is apparent we have not need of a Judicial Branch of government at MCN.

The Business, Finance & Judicial Committee of the National Council will fullfill those duties.

The only capacity the Legislature has now is to vote how Mekko Tiger tells them to vote, mainly to handle the unpopular topics that Mekko Tiger wants to stay neutral on (I didn't do it, the Legislature did it.)

The gaming communities are surely happy this morning because now they will get their 50% split of gaming revenue at their casinos with the promise of 100%.

Mekko Tiger is very TRANSPARENT (as he says) on the issue of Red Clay Casino in Broken Arrow. He agrees with it being built only to serve a very small group of Creeks. Mekko likes to make small groups of people happy.

What about Hannah Community? Do they continue to break their backs gardening? Or do they get their own casino like the Kialegee Tribe or the Yucchi (Duck Creek) Tribe? Mekko Tiger should remember that there are 44 Tribal Towns and we all want our own casino.

He has called a meeting with community leaders and every community leader should attend and DEMAND the same treatment Mekko Tiger affords the gaming communities and Kialegee Tribe.

As requested, a new topic.


Folks, please stay within the TOPIC & subject.  Veering off too far.

Especially those who are in decision-making positions in our Muscogee (Creek) Nation.  We would like to know where their loyalties lie.

Many say they should renounce their tribal towns and join the MCN or renounce MCN and go away.  Having dual citizenship creates problems for us all. 

We comment on double-dipping because of the status given them, yet they claim they are considered 2nd Class citizens.


(VOC:  Folks, please stay within the TOPIC & subject.  Veering off too far.)

We have heard that Chief Tiger will make his statement about Kialegee

Tulsa CHANNEL 6, 12:00 NOON NEWS TODAY.

Much anticipated.  Will it really be news, or just George's slick willie act?

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2-8-2012
VOC:  COMMENTS FOR THIS TOPIC HAVE BEEN CLOSED.  Comments can still be read, but any new comments will be posted under new topic:   #2 Version - Tall Tales About KTT Casino

(Following 2 guys did this while employed by the Muscogee (Creek) Nation at Trade & Commerce.)

Warrington and Wisner charged in Federal Court (Okemah News Leader 1-10-2012 edition)

MUSKOGEE, OKLAHOMA – The United States Attorney’s Office for the Eastern District of Oklahoma, announced today that MICHAEL P. WISNER, II age 39, of New Orleans, LA, formerly of Bixby, Oklahoma, and EDMOND C. WARRINGTON, age 62, of Okemah, Oklahoma, were charged in federal court today.

 The Information charged both defendants with Conspiracy, in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 371 while WISNER was also charged with Perjury, in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 1623.

 Charges arose from an investigation by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms and the Federal Bureau of Investigation. 

 The Information alleges that from on or about June, 2008, to on or about December, 2009, in the Eastern District of Oklahoma and elsewhere, the defendants, knowingly and willfully conspired with other persons known and unknown to the United States Attorney, transmitted or caused to be transmitted by means of a wire communication or the United States Mail, communication for the purpose to defraud the United States, the State of Oklahoma and the National Association of Attorneys General of over $2.5 million in taxes and fees on the receipt, possession, sale and distribution of cigarettes under the Master Settlement Agreement, (MSA), all in order to obtain money by means of false and fraudulent pretenses, representations and promises.

The defendants face a range of punishment of not more than 5 years imprisonment and up to $250,000 in fines on all counts.

Assistant United States Attorney Ryan Roberts represented the United States.

Personally, VOC members chose not to go to the events, especially did not want to hear any speeches.

What we did hear was there were more Non-Creeks' speaking and honored than any of our Creeks.
That probably sets the tone for whom the newly elected have affinity for.

We'd like to get your take on the happenings and what we can expect.  Did anyone hear anything new?

NEW TOPIC AS REQUESTED
To VOC  Request for new topic. Please start a new topic for discussion of services that need to be fixed.

Examples:
Why does it take months and months to get a pair of glasses made?
Why does it take so many YEARS to get service from the MCN Housing Division?
Why do we the citizens sign up for services and wait and wait and wait???
Why do we call departments/employees, leave messages, and many calls are never returned?
Every citizen should respond with their own stories of how long they have been waiting for service.


(VOC:  When GT ran for Chief four years ago, he had a run-in with Social Services, and he uttered some threats to the employees and for the department, that he would fire those employees and turn the dept inside out (documented).  Keep your eyes and ears open.)

Commissioned

NELSON JOHNSON             ACTING GAMING COMMISSIONER
RICHARD FIXICO                 ACTING LIGHTHORSE CHIEF
GREGORY H. BIGLER        SPECIAL JUDGE OF THE DISTRICT TRIAL COURT for 60 DAYS
ROGER WILEY                    ACTING ATTORNEY GENERAL
JERRY McPEAK                   ACTING TAX COMMISSIONER
JAMES PRATT                     CONTROLLER
J. D. COLBERT                    DIRECTOR OF HOUSING

Following are some rumors
Judy Haumpy
Matt Tiger
Tom Pickering
Eleanor VanBuskirk

New topic as requested by "Sick of it"

New topic. The council is in bad need for a good speaker, but tnere isn't much to choose from. From the word on the vine, Alexander, Ridge, Jones and Yahola are the choices.  Humm. My Grandmother would say, that's too bad ain't it.  I would have to agree with her.  Don't need 3 monkeys in the same barrel.  Any of the 4 could be trouble. Something to think about.

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What is your opinion on which of our esteemed council members would make a good speaker?  Any of the above or someone else?  We do know this is in their domain, with no input from any one else.

So many comments, VOC is opening up another topic space.  Any new comments should be posted here as the other topic will be closed to new comments.  You can still read the old comments though.
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Read them and know we are not lying, not even stretching the truth.  It all there in black & white!

On another website, you can read documents on some of the past actions of the tribe, NC and GT/RB:
creektruth.org

Look under "more documents to look over........" and you'll find several documentation regarding the Kialegee Casino.