As requested, a new topic.


Folks, please stay within the TOPIC & subject.  Veering off too far.

Especially those who are in decision-making positions in our Muscogee (Creek) Nation.  We would like to know where their loyalties lie.

Many say they should renounce their tribal towns and join the MCN or renounce MCN and go away.  Having dual citizenship creates problems for us all. 

We comment on double-dipping because of the status given them, yet they claim they are considered 2nd Class citizens.


(VOC:  Folks, please stay within the TOPIC & subject.  Veering off too far.)

We have heard that Chief Tiger will make his statement about Kialegee

Tulsa CHANNEL 6, 12:00 NOON NEWS TODAY.

Much anticipated.  Will it really be news, or just George's slick willie act?

(Following 2 guys did this while employed by the Muscogee (Creek) Nation at Trade & Commerce.)

Warrington and Wisner charged in Federal Court (Okemah News Leader 1-10-2012 edition)

MUSKOGEE, OKLAHOMA – The United States Attorney’s Office for the Eastern District of Oklahoma, announced today that MICHAEL P. WISNER, II age 39, of New Orleans, LA, formerly of Bixby, Oklahoma, and EDMOND C. WARRINGTON, age 62, of Okemah, Oklahoma, were charged in federal court today.

 The Information charged both defendants with Conspiracy, in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 371 while WISNER was also charged with Perjury, in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 1623.

 Charges arose from an investigation by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms and the Federal Bureau of Investigation. 

 The Information alleges that from on or about June, 2008, to on or about December, 2009, in the Eastern District of Oklahoma and elsewhere, the defendants, knowingly and willfully conspired with other persons known and unknown to the United States Attorney, transmitted or caused to be transmitted by means of a wire communication or the United States Mail, communication for the purpose to defraud the United States, the State of Oklahoma and the National Association of Attorneys General of over $2.5 million in taxes and fees on the receipt, possession, sale and distribution of cigarettes under the Master Settlement Agreement, (MSA), all in order to obtain money by means of false and fraudulent pretenses, representations and promises.

The defendants face a range of punishment of not more than 5 years imprisonment and up to $250,000 in fines on all counts.

Assistant United States Attorney Ryan Roberts represented the United States.

Personally, VOC members chose not to go to the events, especially did not want to hear any speeches.

What we did hear was there were more Non-Creeks' speaking and honored than any of our Creeks.
That probably sets the tone for whom the newly elected have affinity for.

We'd like to get your take on the happenings and what we can expect.  Did anyone hear anything new?

NEW TOPIC AS REQUESTED
To VOC  Request for new topic. Please start a new topic for discussion of services that need to be fixed.

Examples:
Why does it take months and months to get a pair of glasses made?
Why does it take so many YEARS to get service from the MCN Housing Division?
Why do we the citizens sign up for services and wait and wait and wait???
Why do we call departments/employees, leave messages, and many calls are never returned?
Every citizen should respond with their own stories of how long they have been waiting for service.


(VOC:  When GT ran for Chief four years ago, he had a run-in with Social Services, and he uttered some threats to the employees and for the department, that he would fire those employees and turn the dept inside out (documented).  Keep your eyes and ears open.)

Commissioned

NELSON JOHNSON             ACTING GAMING COMMISSIONER
RICHARD FIXICO                 ACTING LIGHTHORSE CHIEF
GREGORY H. BIGLER        SPECIAL JUDGE OF THE DISTRICT TRIAL COURT for 60 DAYS
ROGER WILEY                    ACTING ATTORNEY GENERAL
JERRY McPEAK                   ACTING TAX COMMISSIONER
JAMES PRATT                     CONTROLLER
J. D. COLBERT                    DIRECTOR OF HOUSING

Following are some rumors
Judy Haumpy
Matt Tiger
Tom Pickering
Eleanor VanBuskirk

New topic as requested by "Sick of it"

New topic. The council is in bad need for a good speaker, but tnere isn't much to choose from. From the word on the vine, Alexander, Ridge, Jones and Yahola are the choices.  Humm. My Grandmother would say, that's too bad ain't it.  I would have to agree with her.  Don't need 3 monkeys in the same barrel.  Any of the 4 could be trouble. Something to think about.

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What is your opinion on which of our esteemed council members would make a good speaker?  Any of the above or someone else?  We do know this is in their domain, with no input from any one else.

So many comments, VOC is opening up another topic space.  Any new comments should be posted here as the other topic will be closed to new comments.  You can still read the old comments though.
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Read them and know we are not lying, not even stretching the truth.  It all there in black & white!

On another website, you can read documents on some of the past actions of the tribe, NC and GT/RB:
creektruth.org

Look under "more documents to look over........" and you'll find several documentation regarding the Kialegee Casino.

The payoffs have begun.  Some very good employees are already getting their pink slips.  The ugly truth is they are CREEKS.  You know those who the politicians promise to protect and make sure they have jobs, since that is what our Creek Nation is all about.  TAKE CARE OF OUR OWN.  But God forbid, if one supported the other candidate, that's immediate grounds for termination.

They have been elected, but they're not official yet, but think they are.

NEW TOPIC, AS REQUESTED.   MODS: New topic please.

Link:
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20111220_350_A1_BROKEN727421

It didn't take long did it? With A.D. on the way out, and George and Roger and a friendly NC on the way in, KTT is full speed ahead on opening their new casino in Broken Arrow, within the territorial confines of the Muscogee (Creek) Nation.

I ask you. Would Oklahoma permit another state's lottery tickets to be sold in Oklahoma? Same principle here.

Stay tuned. And I wonder what George got in exchange for his support? The Bible says Judas got a bag of silver.

Following as reported by a reader as seen on another website & comments.  It appears the one who someone named "mouth of the south" is still at it. 

Sources say a "Going Away Party" was held today for outgoing

Principal Chief A.D. Ellis. Reports claim the party was "mandatory for employees."

Employee:   Nope that was false. You could go if you wanted to

Johnna Townsend   Not true Mr...certain depts had to call aND MADE their employees go!!!

Employee   Hmmm.....small depts, I didn't see many there. 

Johnna Townsend   Many didn't want to go but were told they had to be there....i don't think it matters how BIG the dept is...i think our employees have no rights when some that have been there for years are being terminated just before Christmas and employees being told Ads party is mandatory!!

Johnna Townsend   But fyi no it wasn't a small dept. ...could you tell me which ones you consider small and big...and why that would make a difference? ?? Thanks!

Johnna Townsend   Well...im not trying to be catty...it just baffles me as to why people are being terminated without justifiable causes two weeks before christmas...yet made to leave their jobs to go to his farewell party! And i use to be an AD supporter til i saw his true colors firsthand...and im not even an employee! Just a concernrd citizen....treat people the way you wanna be treated u know?? ALL employees are equal....

Employee   Well I must say I have never been a big supporter but he has been our Chief for 8 years like it or not. Our dept was not forced to go. I'm not aware of what all goes on in other departments nor do I know of fireings that occur. We were given the opportunity to go, so out of respect for the man 3 people from our dept went. It started at 2 but it was close to 3 before we went. When we arrived not many people were there. We did not see full departments in attendance nor were all departments represented.

Johnna Townsend  Then I guess I would say he got given the same amount of respect from employees as he gave out!!

From what VOC has checked, the event was not a bit mandatory.  It was a surprise event by some employees, and the Chief was called to come to the event after it was all set up.  So Chief Ellis had nothing to do with any of it.  So whomever started the lie, it appears we know who is perpetuating it.  She isn't even an employee (yet), since GT will probably reward her with a top job.

Mods: new topic please  (As requested by RPP).

I've often wondered why the Nation clings to brick and mortar clinics for delivery of health care services to citizens.

Question: Why not scrap clinics, and simply spend that money for a group health insurance policy? I expect the Nation could negotiate a group health policy that would cover all citizens, including of course those who live far away from any existing clinic.

Wouldn't being able to go to your choice of health care provider eliminate the problems we hear about how the clinics are operated?

What say you?

New Topic as requested by Anonymous, and with following comment.

What do you want your Representative to do?

What would happen if your boss assigned you a task with a deadline and you ignored it and did what you wanted instead? What would you do if you were the boss of a large corporation and you suspected that your employees were stealing you blind? And, what would you do if your employee told you what to do, and if you didn’t do it, threatened to harm you? What would you do if your employees refused to talk to you, to tell you what they were doing, and held secret meetings? What would you do if your employees wrote all the rules, and made all policies and gave themselves raises in pay without asking for your input and at the end of the day made themselves more powerful and authoritative than you? What would do if your employees ordered you not to use any buildings or facilities on your property without their approval? And, what would you do if your employees obtained control of your checkbook and began spending your money like it belonged to them?

I know what we would do; we wouldn’t do anything, and how do I know that? We wouldn’t do anything because we haven‘t. Our Representatives have been hired by citizen for a specific task. We have made a formal agreement with them to elect and pay them for a service that we want them to do. This was a formal agreement; a legal and binding agreement setting out the terms of their employment. They have no choice but to do what we want them to do, or they can resign or be fired.

We have agreed to elect and pay them for a service that we want accomplished. Our employees, the elected Creek governmental officials, have become our boss, and as a result, our problem. They tell us what to do, and we do it. our elected officials do what they want because they have not been given an assignment and have nothing to do. It might be that our Representatives believe that citizens will not hold them accountable.

What do you want your Representative to do? Give your Representative a written assignment with a deadline. Ask her/him to reply to you in writing so that you can have a record about what your Representative says he/she is going to do about his/her assignment. Make sure that your representative understands that his/her written reply is necessary for you to establish a legal record and on which her/his future employment depends.

Can someone at the VOC or any citizen develop a sample form letter that citizens can copy and used to give their representatives their work assignments?

To receive some share, one must attend church, ceremonial grounds or communities regularly.  Is this fair?
Some citizens do all of the above.  Are they deserving of triple shares?
Some citizens don't do any of the above. 
Those 3 tribal organizations all will receive Special Appropriations for Christmas.  Is this fair?
Shouldn't it be enough to just being a tribal member to get a share?  Is this fair?

Give us your opinions on what the NC is doing. 
Tell us if its fair.  How is it fair?
Tell us if its unfair.  Why is it unfair?

#NCA 11-199 Chief & 2nd Chief ---- Dornan & Scott were absent.              
To adopt --- Yes                  No Votes
Ade, Shirlene                     Anderson, Terrie
Alexander, Sam                 Bruner, Steve
Beaver, Pete                      Hill, David
Fife, Bill                             Hufft, Robert
Greene, Johnnie                 Jennings, James                 
Jones, Adam                     Johnson, Keeper
Nichols, David                    LaGrone, Eddie
Ridge, Cherrah                   Medina, Kra
Thomas, Pearl                    Proctor, Darrell
Williams, Carol                   Willits, Paula
Wind, Lena
Yahola, Thomas                  Tiger, George (Abstain)

#NCA 11-202 National Council
To adopt --- Yes                   No Votes
Ade, Shirlene                      Beaver, Pete
Alexander, Sam                   Bruner, Steve
Fife, Bill                              Greene, Johnnie
Wind, Lena                         Hill, David
                                          Hufft, Robert
                                          Jennings, James
                                          Johnson, Keeper
                                          Jones, Adam
                                          LaGrone, Eddie
                                          Medina, Kara
                                          Nichols, David
                                          Proctor, Darrell
                                          Ridge, Cherrah
                                          Thomas, Pearl
                                          Tiger, George
                                          Williams, Carol
                                          Willits, Paula
                                          Yahola, Thomas
Abstain:  Anderson, Terrie

On #NCA 11-199, Constitutional Law states: 

Muscogee (Creek) Constitution: Article V, § (d) The Principal Chief and the Second Chief shall, at stated times,  receive for their services a fixed compensation, which shall neither be increased nor diminished during the period of which they shall have been elected.

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Please contact the Chief’s office with  your input.  As an employee and citizen your input is very important.  (*10 days to return legislation – Should he return unsigned, vetoed or signed?).

VOC is for a veto.  They haven't earned any pay yet, let alone pay increases.  And we do not like the

fact that they made it a "hidden agenda" item.  Very intentionally sneaky.

VOC is copying a couple of comments to this topic.  It's rampant.  It's prevalent.  So many crooks.  So much GREED!  It's our money that could be used for helping our citizens with food, utilities, services, and we give them so little.  Think how much more and how many more we could assist with all this money.  Especially with our own government being the greediest.

Following are 2 comments which were submitted.  Check it out, all you voters who voted for the crooks.

NEWS FLASH!!!

Read the front page of todays Tulsa World.
FBI cigarette sting in Creek Nation!

How far will it go?
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Enacting a pay increase AFTER the filing period is SLIMY. Typical. We get what we deserve after voting that way. Like an old football coach says, you are what your records says you are. We're pathetic!

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Will be coming up for NC votes:

NCA 11-169  (Alexander)  $927.90  For a citizen's utility bills
NCA 11-170  (Alexander)  $1,560.09  For a citizen's utility bills.
NCA 11-171  (Alexander)  $3,565.58  For a citizen's Med Exp + utility bills.
NCA 11-174  (Ade)   $800.00 To assist a citizen.
NCA 11-191  (Hill)   $2,400.00   To assist with funeral expenses.
NCA 11-177  (Hill)  $5,000.00  Donation to Urban Inter-Tribal Center of Texas in Dallas, TX.
NCA 11-183  (Alexander)  $60,000.00 - To Anderson Indian Law for Legal Services Wash. DC lobbyist), to help us in the Fountainhead deal.  This bill states "any unexpended funds shall be returned to the Tribal Treasury and shall be available for future appropriations by the National Council."  (Don't know if this is legal, that it can be returned to the Tribal Treasury and be ear-marked.  Doesn't sound right.  But there is never any money returned, so we should just ignore this statement.)  There are also doubts that the NC can sign contracts for the Nation, when it concerns the Nation, but what do we know?  It always been told us that only the Chief can sign contracts like this one.

A CONSTITUTIONAL LAW - KEEP THIS IN MIND - #A59. 
NOT SOMETHING TO BE OVERLOOKED IF WE RUN ACROSS ANY ACTS OR ACTIVITY THAT IS ANTI-LAW, OR JUST A BLATANT WRONG-DOING.  HECK, WE MIGHT EVEN BE ABLE TO OVERRIDE THE ELECTION IF WE SET OUR MINDS TO IT!

Let's hear your thoughts.  We can continue being watchdogs, helping to spread information about our elected officials.

THE DAY IS UPON US.

AFTER ALL THE WEEKS & MONTHS OF DEBATING AMONGST OURSELVES ABOUT BELIEFS, IDEAS AND QUALIFICATIONS & FAULTS,  WE CAN NOW EXERCISE OUR PRECIOUS RIGHT OF VOTING.

WE WON'T SAY THAT IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO YOU VOTE FOR, JUST VOTE.
IT REALLY DOES MATTER FOR WHOM WE VOTE - THE BEST CANDIDATE.  WE BELIEVE IN VOTING FOR, NOT AGAINST.

WE PROBABLY WON'T LIKE WHO YOU ALL VOTE FOR, BUT THAT GOES BOTH WAYS.
WE TRULY HOPE OUR "BEST MEN" WIN. 

THE VOICES OF COURAGE WILL NOT STOP MONITORING THE ACTIONS OF ANY ELECTED OFFICIAL.  WE WILL CONTINUE WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING FOR OVER 5 YEARS.  Remember, we were the 1st to do a web site, and we did do what no one had thought of doing.  We're proud.  Bragging, but now there are copycats.

REMINDER:  Some seem to be disappointed in our intent and comments. From the beginning, it has been to inform the citizens of how the council has performed and the problems they have created by not adhering to our tribal laws and Constitution, especially the Constitution. If you are unaware, know that most of the problems which are plaguing our nation are directly related to Council's actions, and that is the reason VOC opened this website.
We don't belong to the chief, council or the A. G., and some of us are employees, but we're all Creek citizens doing what we can to help inform other citizens, and we do this with our own money, with NO tribal funds or any donations , doing this because we believe in our original intent.

VOC is listing some issues that have been lacking in our government.  Who of the candidates do you think can best deliver because they actually care about the tribal citizens?  Most of the issues deal directly with the NC.

1.  ACCOUNTABILITY for their actions.  Own up to whatever it is.
2.  TRANSPARENCY in their dealings (in our government).  Too many unnecessary Emergency & Special
     Meetings and Executive Sessions, at times not according to the laws.  Unnecessary Emergency & Special
     meetings become costly because of the mileage claims.  TELEVISE all your meetings.
3.  WILL, not just WILLING, to work with other branches of our government.
4.  VOTING RECORDS to be posted on website immediately after each meeting.
5.  POST AGENDAS more timely so citizens can plan ahead if they would to attend any meetings.
6.  HIRE QUALIFIED PEOPLE, not who gave you most votes.  Ask citizens if they have any names to consider.
     Don't just ask the rep from certain districts for a nomination or from friends & colleagues.
7.  FOCUS more attention on EMPLOYEES and appreciate the good employees.  By the same token, hold 
     them accountable.  With qualified supervisors and directors, this can be done.  Not by nepotism or tokenism
     or friendships.
8.  SPECIAL APPROPRIATIONS.  Stop those vote-buying giveaways.  Have the Social Services or some other
     line item for this, not dependent on friends on the council.  We give funds to Towns, Cities, non-tribal
     organizations, and the list goes on.  Recently heard that racism against our Creeks and other Native
     Americans is rampant in some of the small towns, especially South of I-40, but we just go on rewarding
     them.
9.  READ THE MCN CONSTITUTION.  UNDERSTAND IT.  ABIDE BY IT.  Bottom line.

You are welcome to add your own list.

VOC would like to take an unofficial survey.  We have clear choices.
Tell us who you are voting for, or have voted for by absentee ballot.

SC 2010-04.  Former Trade & Commerce Board members Henry Harjo, Dean Hughes, Brett Thomas & Ronnie West, regarding lawsuit against Chief Ellis.  Supreme Court has ended this debacle by denying their appeal.  It surely didn't need a court decision to figure this one out.

Two items on NC's upcoming agenda is laughable, and shows how they throw money at whatever looks like more votes.
NCA 11-168 (GT) Appropriate $5000 to renown artist Dana Tiger so she can go to Paris, France to exhibit her art.
NCA 11-178 (CRidge) To Yatika Starr Fields.Same as Ms Tiger's appropriation.  To exhibit her art at same place.
Those of us familiar with Ms Tiger's prices on her art:  She could  sell one painting and enable her trip herself.  We do know she supports George's candidacy.  One of those "You give me, and I will give you" deals.  We also know the sponsor, Ridge, has been on the same wave-length as GT, as long as she's been there.
Don't know about Fields, but probably about the same.

NEW TOPIC PLEASE.  (As requested by Anonymous)

If a person steals money from a Bank, Grocery Store, Neighbor or a Family member, is it a crime?
If someone TAKES money from a Business with permission from a Board that overseas the money of the business, IS IT A CRIME?
That is what was going on at the communities that had the 50/50 gaming revenue split with our Nation.

Duck Creek, Checotah, Eufaula, Bristow and Okemah had millions of dollars to afford a few select Creeks and non-Creeks with trips, vacations, household items, severance pay and whatever their Community Board Members voted to give out.

That money DID NOT belong to those communities only. It belonged to all Creek Citizens.

Maybe George Tiger & Roger Barnett will do away with our Court System. CN Supreme Court has ruled on this 50/50 split but who will stop them to overturn the courts decision?
Our District Court will certainly be abolished.

We Creeks as a whole, do not want to punish Creeks for STEALING from other Creeks.
We shake our heads, say nothing and do nothing.

WHY DO YOU THINK NO OTHER TRIBE EVER, EVER, EVER HAD COMMUNITY OWNED GAMING?
It isn't that we Creeks are smarter than other Tribes, it is that we don't care.

I cared once. I cared that my family did without while those living in rich communities had everything wanted and needed.

I DON'T CARE ANYMORE.
GIVE THE NATION TO THE CORRUPT ONES FIGHTING AGAINST THE NATION IN FAVOR OF A FEW.

PERHAPS THE RICH GAMING COMMUNITIES WILL THROW SOME CRUMBS YOUR WAY.

My heart is truly sick with this corruption and the support it has from Creek Citizens.
It's like Romans throwing Christains to the lions. Our backs should be turned on corruption - but it is embraced.

1st version of this topic has been closed for comments, but you can still read the comments.

NEW TOPIC AS REQUESTED --- VERY IMPORTANT INFORMATION
MODS: New topic please to help get the word out.

Looks like folks who were not going to get to vote by absentee in the November 5th General Election because they didn't get their request in by the earlier deadline will be able to vote absentee, BUT THEY NEED TO ACT FAST!

The below is paraphrased from Agreed Orders issued by the District Court. Note: "Agreed Order" means the Election Board and the Plaintiff voter who was not going to be able to vote in the General Election because he didn't get his absentee ballot request in before the earlier deadline BOTH AGREE this is how it will be done going forward. Also, the below was approved by the District Court and is therefore now the law of the Muscogee (Creek) Nation

Agreed Order and Supplemental Order (paraphrased):

1. Election Board shall re-open the process and accept applications for absentee ballots until October 21, 2011 at midnight. The Election Board shall process all requests for absentee ballots received to date, even if they were sent too late for the Primary.

2. Election Board shall publicize this change to their former policy.

3. Absentee Ballot request forms will be made available for download on the Nation's website.

4. Voters may send their absentee ballot requests to the Election Board by mail, fax, email or by hand delivery.

5. Absentee ballots for the General Election start going out on October 17, 2011. If a request arrives between then and the new deadline of October 21, 2011 at midnight, it will be processed and the absentee ballot sent to the voter by express mail.

6. If you voted absentee in the Primary, and you want to vote by absentee ballot in the General Election, you must still request a General Election absentee ballot before October 21 at midnight.

Remember NCA 09-030, sponsored by David Nichols, 2nd by Steve Bruner.  This bill was to authorize appropriation for the Election Board to conduct a Special Election for Proposed Constitutional Amendments.  These Council members voted not to fund the election,hence, they refused to allow the Creek citizens the right to vote on the Constitutional Amendments.

VOTING NO WERE:  DAVID HILL, LARRY CAHWEE, ROGER BARNETT, ADAM JONES III, SELINA DORNAN, TRAVIS SCOTT, LENA WIND, BILL FIFE, CARMIN TECUMSEH-WILLIAMS, SHIRLENE ADE, RON CLEGHORN, CHERRAH QUIETT, SAM ALEXANDER, ROBERT HUFFT.

Not voting - absent:   Darrell Proctor, Keeper Johnson, Thomas Yahola (Speaker ?), Kara Medina.

VOC MEMBERS HAVE LONG MEMORIES WHEN IT COMES TO HOW CERTAIN COUNCIL MEMBERS CONTINUED TO THWART THE WISHES OF THE CITIZENS.  MORE WILL BE POSTED AS WE GET AVAILABLE INFORMATION.

The other evening in one of their "Emergency" meetings, they passed the FY 2012 budget.  That was one of the
craws in citizens' minds all this past year, thus creating additional rancor between theirs and the other two branches of our government.

They did this on 9/27/2011 by a vote of 12 yes and 7 no, with 20 in attendance.

We need to find out who those 7 no votes belong to.

New Topic Requested:  (New topic as requested by Curious)

What has George Tiger offered or promised you on the campaign trail (or, what have you heard he has promised others)? I'd like to see what he 'owes' all of his naive voters if he gets elected.

(Please go to #2 version for comments.  This topic has been closed.)

New Topic  (New topic as requested)

Are we exhausted with political forums or can we stand one more between the Chief and Second chief candidates?

NEW TOPIC AS REQUESTED 9-18-2011 BY RPP     (Refers to General Election in November)

Mods: new topic please, re PRIMARY RESULTS

Remain calm and carry on. It's going to be fine.

Check the Nation's website for the primary winners. Most of the "go-alongers" have been swept out of the Council.

As to the Chief's race...it'll be a two horse race between Flud and Tiger. And I like Mike's chances, especially if the former Nichols and Alfred Berryhill voters swing Flud's way.

Also think its entirely possible Mike will take off the gloves now and call Tiger publicly to account for all his shady dealings (the tobacco fiasco, Broken Arrow casino, etc.) and his background.

AT THESE FORUMS, IF WE'RE ALLOWED, SOME OF US CITIZENS HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS TO ASK THE CANDIDATES.

What are direct questions you are willing to ask, if you're allowed? 
In the past, I know a couple of Communities allowed only their members to ask questions.  With this campaign, that should NOT be the case.

Give us your questions that you would like candidates to answer..  Go to the forums and don't be afraid to ask.  I am familiar with how many of our citizens are.  Even if they agree with you, they will not help you out.  Why is that?

New Topic as requested by "Anonymous', 6-24-2011.
New Topic: Who is responsible for investigating and prosecuting Roger Barnett for his residency issue?

Let me see, do we need more laws? Nope. More attorney generals? Nope to that too.
What we need is someone to put teeth into the laws that we have and someone to investigate and prosecute those who break the law. And why can’t we have that? We can’t because no one is in charge; everyone‘s the boss. Each can do as they please. It’s called living in a Banana Republic, a politically unstable place that is ruled by a small self-serving group of people, where laws don‘t matter to the ones in charge.

The following law is clear. It has been a law for years, but who cares? If one law that is very clear but does not apply to anyone, why should any law apply to anyone too? If Roger Barnett is elected as the Second Chief, or is even allowed to run for that office, who cares? Roger Barnett should not have been allowed to run in the last election. Why didn’t someone stop him. He should not be the Speaker. Roger Barnett has been in violation of the residency clause of the Creek Constitution for years. What is wrong with us that we can allow a law to be broken into pieces, and by a person who swore to uphold it, even? Why have laws? Because no one gives a fF--k.

Article V1, Section 2(b) says:
“Each representative shall be a legal resident of his/her district for one full calendar year, prior to filing for office and shall be an actual full time resident within that district for the term of office. When the representative ceases to be an actual resident of the district, they disqualify themselves as a representative of that district. “

So what happens to Roger Barnett who lives in Okmulgee but elected in the Creek District and in clear violation of the above statute? The answer is that nothing will happen because there is no one with the authority to enforce this law. There is no one to investigate something illegal even if it is known to a multitude of citizens.

Roger Barnett can “prove” through paperwork that his residency is the district that elected him, but citizens know he lives in Okmulgee. He will be delivered from the jaws of justice by his fellow collaborators who will say “We have looked in the issues of Roger Barnett’s residency and judge that he has not violated that statute.”

The fact that Roger Barnett has been in violation of that article of the constitution for years does not matter to anyone. Then what law of the constitution does matter to anyone? If we cannot get one piece of the constitution to work, how can we get anything in the constitution to matter? And why should we have any laws? I think that answers itself, we don’t.

As requested - a new topic.

VOC can we have a new topic "DRAFT MIKE FlUD for CHIEF"

VOC will be removing several topics, mostly those dated 2010 and possibly some in January 2011.  If you would like to copy some of the information, please do it soon.  We are still keeping some court cases which are still in limbo (Supreme Court), such as the Community/Casino cases and a few other topics.
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We been allowing a few comments to slip by that do not relate to pertinent topics.  And we are requesting that you try to adhere to our long time policy that if you are making a comment that needs a solution,  submit your idea of a solution at the same time.

A lot of information some are requesting can be obtained from the various branches and departments at the Muscogee (Creek) Nation, or from their website, although we try to post whatever we can get a hold of.  Our primary purpose is to be informational with documentation on hand.  So please be co-operative.

We have begun to delete unrelated comments, and a few that are just totally ridiculous.  It will remain our judgment.

As stated before, the 3 separate petitions were filed 3/4/11, by Raymond Bogumill to recall Chief Justice Jonodev Chaduri and Justices Amos McNac and Houston Shirley.  This was at a cost of $2.00 per district, and he gets a list of all 15,657 voters of the entire Creek Nation, including all absentee voters.  He will need to obtain 3,131 signatures (20% of voters), with deadline of May 2, 2011.  This felon petitioner now has all of yours and my home addresses.

Following are requirements for Petitions of Removal.

NOTICE OF PETITION TO REMOVE A PUBLIC OFFICER  According to Title 31 , Section 1-201, Petition to Remove a Public Officer; Section 1·201

B. I. Petitioners shall file with the Election Board a Notice of Petition 10 remove a Public Official l which shall contain the alleged statutory violation, the office o f the office holder, and the name of an individual who is acting in an official Petitioner capacity. The Election Board shall furnish a certified list of registered voters within three (3) days of the filing of Notice of petition. A fee of two dollars ($2.00) per district which shall include absentee voters shall be charged for the Registered Voter List to defray the cost of materials and processing.

Please refer to Title 31, §1-202.  Contents of  Petition.   (1)  specify the staturoty or regulatory provision alleged to have been violated; and (2) state the allegation(s) in common and concise language.  The Petition shall not consist merely of allegation(s) stated in statutory or regulatory language.
Title 31, §1-301.  Removal of Officer.  Secretary shall file with the District Court a request to validate a Removal of Public Official Petition, and in open court with a D. C. Judge presiding, the NC, together with the petitioners and Election Board, shall validate or invalidate each and every name and signature on the petition --- and determine that the petition has the required number of valid signatures.
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VOC believes strongly that Mr. Bogumill DID NOT write the petitions.  We know who he is, and our thoughts remain that they were written by one of the Council attorneys.  And VOC thinks that $2.00 per district, per petition is sorry, but its an amount any of us can probably come up with - when its needed.  All the turmoil that continues to pop up is because those Barnett, Fife and Alexander haven't got their way in the courts. 
I guess the next NC step will be to file a lawsuit against US District Court Judge Seay as being partisan against the NC!

New Topic please:

TAKEN FROM 2011 CHALLENGE BOWL INFORMATION

 Roger Barnett is of the Wind Clan and Kvncate (Concharty) Tribal Town (inactive). His parents are Joseph (deceased) and Eleanor Rachel (Wilson) Barnett of Bristow. Grandparents are the late Nicey (Tecumseh) and Solomon Wilson of the Kvncate area and the late Jim and Lizzie (Starr) Barnett of Bristow. 

He is a member of the Concharty United Methodist Church and the father of one son, Eco Tasahce (11),  Chenoa Brooke (5), and April Oskee (4). Does Roger support his daughters financially and has he ever been married to their mother?

Mr. Barnett is 4/4 Muscogee (Creek) and was raised in Bristow on his paternal grandfathers allotment. Does he reside in Bristow or Okmulgee? He served his military service stationed at Fort Benning, Georgia. Did he serve in the Army, what kind of training did he receive, how long did he serve, and what rank did he achieve? He attended (attended means nothing, he should not even be listing a university unless he GRADUATED) from Northeastern State University and has an Associates of Applied Science from Oklahoma State University. When and in what major? Did he graduate from high school and where?  What is his working history? Give a chronological list of the events. This above information appears deceptive to me.

Mr. Barnett is the Creek District Representative for Seat C and has been elected 5 times and served as second speaker for one term. He currently is the National Council Speaker.

Please look up that link & read it as it is very educational and informative.  9/2/10 POSTING UNDER "INTENTS OF COUNCIL - #2.  This led to the SC Censuring of the NC, with notices to be posted all over the Nation, listing the NC members who voted for the legislation.  VOC has excerpted a small portion of the decision, which we think may be interesting as the NC is addressing the budgets right now.  Standing Bear is still the NC's Counsel too.

This is the SC's 37 page decision against the NC for interfering and modifying in the MCN budget as submitted by the Chief. 

The NC had cut  the Chief's budget for legal expenses contrary to law.
The NC had eliminated Ex. Branch's personnel by zeroing in line item figures. 
The National Council cannot manipulate funds by passing N.C.R.s that the Chief does not see nor have the opportunity to veto.
ThisCourt has not and will not involve itself with the politics of this Nation.Further, we have not and will not be intimidated by either branch of government;this Court serves the Constitution and the Muscogee people.
ThisCourt has not and will not involve itself with the politics of this Nation.
The Court refers the parties back to our opening statements on July 18, 2007 where we found unconstitutional NCA 07-167, which is legislation passed by the National Council providing for, among other things, the imprisonment of the members of the Supreme Court should they ever find any officer of the Muscogee (Creek) Nation to be in contempt. The members of the National Council are, in fact, officers of the Muscogee (Creek) Nation.
Further, during testimony at the July 18lh hearing, legal counsel for the National Council, Geoffrey Standing Bear, advised this Court that he told members of the National Council to "pay attention to the Court's Order."  However, testimony elicited from Councilman LaGrone, Second Speaker Roger Barnett, and Speaker Tiger shows that Geoffrey Standing Bear advised different National Council members at different times, about the Budget modifications during either committee meetings or to the Council as a whole. This Court cannot understand how Mr. Standing Bear could ethically allow deliberate actions by the National Council and its committees to continue when he knew, or should have known, that eliminating funding for Executive Branch jobs, and changing Executive Branch salaries, goes directly against this Court's prior Order.

 This Court has thought long and hard on the appropriate punishment for the National Council's willful violation of this Court's Order. The Court is currently considering options in the reprimanding the National Council's attorney, Geoffrey Standing Bear.  Mr. Standing Bear's advice, or lack thereof, to the National Council with regard to whether it was violating this Court's Order is astonishing. However, the July 18th hearing dealt only with whether the National Council had violated this Court's previous Order - not whether Mr. Standing Bear has violated his oath to uphold the laws of the Muscogee (Creek) Nation.

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Then Speaker George Tiger, Roger Barnett, Eddie LaGrone & Counsel G. Standing Bear were the main players in the NC shenanigans.  At first, they all stated they couldn't understand previous ruling of the S. C., but on further questioning, they all admitted that "YES", they knew what they were doing when they modified the budgets.  Those 3 NC members are still on the NC today.  VOC is curious.  They have never gotten over this and we think they're still out to settle scores.  Was there ever any reprimand for Standing Bear?  If so, what was the punishment?

New Top as requested.

New topic: Non-Creek managers at the tribal complex.
Examples: Cherokee Hicks in Tourism and Recreation (Cherokee)
Claude Sumner as Executive Director (Choctaw?)
Gerald Wofford in Communications (Cherokee)
Did I miss anyone? Why is there no Muscogee (Creek) tribal member in these positions?

NEW TOPIC ---

Not sure where this should be posted but its breaking news...moderator at your discretion, please post...

http://premium.fileden.com/premium/2008/2/18/1765574/SC1005NoticeofRecusalSupremeCrt.PDF

New Topic  "Who or what do you want the AG to investigate 1st?"

NEW TOPIC DUE TO TOO MANY UN-RELATED COMMENTS UNDER "A. G. ROGER WILEY".  VOC will try to move last 4-5 of those comments to this topic.

FOR ODDS & ENDS  & SOME REASONS FOR HAPPENINGS & EVENTS.   For miscellaneous information.

VOC IS OPENING UP A 2nd TOPIC ON SAME SUBJECT AS THREADS HAVE BECOME TOO LONG.  Please do not post any more comments on that one.

VOC IS OPENING A FOLLOW-UP TOPIC ON THIS AS THE THREADS HAVE BECOME TOO LONG ON THE 1ST TOPIC.  Please do not add any more comments on that one.

VOC IS OPENING UP SOME NEW TOPICS.  This department is over Communities, among a few other services.

VOC MUST ISSUE A CORRECTION DUE TO HAVING OVERLOOKED A BILL ON THE 7-31-2010 NC MEETING AGENDA, #NCA 10-144 WHICH WE HAD REFERRED TO UNDER THIS TOPIC.   We do apologize for such a glaring oversite on our part.

The legislation was approved by a vote of 17 yes and 2 no.  It does do away with the 'Citizens Legal Services', to be replaced by this 'MCN Legal Services Dept.' as of 10/1/2010, another Independent Board, with Commissioners, etc.  Supposedly its a hands off by the NC & others, but you know how that goes.

It does not mention anything about the over 500 cases pending with the Citizens Legal Services, whether those cases are to be turned over to the new department automatically, without any problem.  That question should be asked. 

AND VOC BELIEVES THIS IS ONE OF THOSE NEW LAWS THE NC CREATES WITHOUT ANY DEEP-THINKING, AND WITHOUT ABSOLUTELY ANY CITIZEN INPUT.  THAT IS STILL NOT RIGHT.  WHO DID THEY TALK TO?  ROGER, GEORGE AND FIFE, THAT MUCH WE DO KNOW.

WITH THE CHIEF'S VETO, IT GIVES THE CITIZENS MORE TIME TO DIGEST ANY CHANGES THAT WILL AFFECT THEM, AND HAVE ALL THEIR  ISSUES CLEARED UP. 

NOTE TO ALL:   There's always something new the NC thinks up, and then goes and messes good programs up.  THE NEW INTENT OF THE COUNCIL IS UNTENABLE and INSUPPORTABLE.

THE NC HAS PASSED LEGISLATION TO DO AWAY WITH THOSE LEGAL SERVICES.  This is just another issue someone on the NC is unhappy with so they will eliminate an entire program, never mind how much the legal services mean for us citizens.  Their way of getting even or getting revenge.  I wonder who those NC members might be.  If we find out, we will publish the names.

The Chief has VETOED it,  so support the Chief's decision.