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We have heard that Chief Tiger will make his statement about Kialegee

Tulsa CHANNEL 6, 12:00 NOON NEWS TODAY.

Much anticipated.  Will it really be news, or just George's slick willie act?

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2-8-2012

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  • 1/16/2012 12:19 PM Jolie wrote:
    Epic failure on the part of KOTV News on 6 today. I hope they update their website with a written article soon, so we'll find out what Chief Tiger actually said.

    Their current article has been updated with "NewsOn6.com was planning to live stream the news conference but audio problems are interfering."
  • 1/16/2012 12:38 PM Vwotetv wrote:
    OMG! Are any of you going to apologize now in relation to saying Cheif Tiger was going to support the casino? Or atleast admit you are wrong? He said, and I quote, "The original restricted Creek allotment in question should not be used for a casino".
    1. 1/16/2012 4:45 PM Anonymous wrote:
      OMG! NO!!

      What changed his mind from 5 months ago.

      Creektruth.org has the original court documents of george and roger supporting Kialegee casino along with Marcella Giles.

      Guess that's the 2 worlds one spirit thing.
      1. 1/16/2012 8:34 PM nc employee wrote:
        What changed his mind. He doesn't need the votes now. Wait 4 years and he will be ready to renegotiate the deal. Creek voters have short memories hopefully that will change. To those that are counting on promises made, get ready for the Kialegee treatment.
    2. 1/16/2012 6:47 PM Anonymous wrote:
      You 'MISQUOTED' Chief Tiger's quote. He said, "The land should not be used as the site of a casino WITHOUT THE CONSENT OF THIS NATION."

      With Chief Tiger paying for council members campaign expenses like Shirlene Ade and Johnnie Greene, and giving the Speaker position to Sam Alexander and the 2nd Speaker position to Cherrah Quiett, it won't be difficult at all for George to get the majority of what he calles THE LEGISLATURE to give their blessing to the Red Clay Casino.

      Tiger is the Chief and Tiger owns the LEGISLATURE.

      When the votes from the LEGISLATURE(National Council) say let them build it Tiger will then say it is out of his hands - the LEGISLATURE(owned by Tiger) have ruled.

      This all didn't occur in the last few months. These sneaky, snakey, back stabbing people have been planning this a long time and all is in place.

      All the other tribes in Oklahoma need to snatch on to people who have restricted land anywhere they can.

      If you Creek and have land in Choctaw Nation, build a casino, if your Chickasas and own land in their boundaries, build a casino. Now Oklahoma City is open for grabs.
      1. 1/17/2012 7:18 AM Anonymous wrote:
        When this question goes to the legislature, George will make a speech (IN EXECUTIVE SESSION OF COURSE) and it will be something like this - (I have worked long and hard to help our sister tribe in this endeavor, yes, I will receive compensation from the family who owns the land but how can this great body of legislature expect me to live in the lifestyle I should enjoy on a small $150,000 per year.)
        The legislature will applaud and say 'yes' to Red Clay Casino. Our Creek citizens won't do a darn thing except make a dummy out of hay suffed with fake dollar bills, name it CHIEF GEORGE TIGER and hang it in front of the mound.
        1. 1/18/2012 3:38 PM Jacob Narcomey wrote:
          To do or not to do, that, is the question

          My name is Jacob Narcomey. I hanged George Tiger in effigy in front of the mounds building. Back then I was a mere undisciplined, out of controlled whippersnapper of 73. Soon I will be 78 years old. I thought that the incident, which was a put-on, and an adventure in absurdity, and an attempt to engage people emotionally and intellectually, and to get them stirred up and act, had been forgotten. But don’t forget, I did other things too.

          I protested alongside the highway in front of the Creek Complex for days, alone, calling out the National Council and George Tiger for their corrupt dealings. I tried to get citizens to meet to talk and plan with no success. I tried circulating petitions and found that no one wanted to sign them. I published a newsletter that I called the Creek Reader and before that I owned the Pesky Redskin website that I had to abandon because of dwindling funds to pay for it.

          But what I am most proud happened back in the sixties when I worked with a maintenance/construction crew during the Mutual Self-help Housing era, digging ditches for water and sewer lines, in what I like to call “my strong back days,” and was a job from which I was fired. When I say that I was happy to be fired, I say in retrospect, and not at the time that I received my walking papers. My firing happened like this:

          The crew that I worked with chaffed under the bit of an insensitive supervisor, who perhaps had seen too many movies where a certain racial group--to which he belonged--assumes that they owned the power to treat other races as if they have no feelings. I thought we should talk about this, and so tried engaging the crew in a discussion. The next morning when I arrived at the house trailer office in Eufaula, the same supervisor who had been the subject of my discussion called me into his office and gave me a detailed, word for word playback from the day before. I had been ratted out. Then he fired me, and then it got worse. The crew shunned me like I was a leper and that hurt, but out of this ordinary event came a sudden leap of intuitive understanding that has been with me ever since.

          Being a responsible citizen is like a tree falling in the forest that makes no sound if there is no one there to hear it. It is the same as saying that you are doing something for your fellow human beings when no eyes are seeing you doing it. The only thing that matters is what you do, and if there are no eyes to sees what you are doing should be a clue that you are not doing anything.
          1. 2/8/2012 10:19 AM Anonymous wrote:
            Your last paragraph is the real truth. That's called ETHICS & CHARACTER. When you do the right thing when no one is looking or will ever know. But you will know, and that is truly the bottom line. That's what I truly believe is lacking in our leaders who appear to be forthright in front of people, but are busy behind our backs doing other things.
      2. 1/18/2012 7:52 AM Dr. wrote:
        Several years ago the National Council listened to Barry Switzer who asked the Creek Nation to open a Bingo Hall in Moore, Oklahoma on land he and others controlled.
        Coupled with current events concerning casinos and where they can be located is this the reason Mr. Switzer was present in Creek Nation last week?
        1. 1/18/2012 3:24 PM Anonymous wrote:
          One time, Switzer asked to allow him & associated company to put machines into the casinos. He knows when there are friendly bodies around, who thinks like he does. He was ignored back then.
    3. 1/16/2012 9:48 PM a creek too wrote:
      Not for a minute. I have not been wrong. Read and listen to his statements. He stated that he never testified in court in support of Kialegee's casino. It was never said as such. But he is on that court record that he personally supports it. Today, he said he can't support it, as he took an oath to uphold the Constitution. He could have said it that day in court, but he and Roger chose to support the casino, personally or not. The Constitution was in effect on that day. We will learn more fairly soon.

      "Should not be used", vs "Will not be used": big difference, huh? He just cannot get himself to just plain out-and-out say "NO, the casino will not be allowed in OUR BOUNDARIES". Hems and haws. He didn't clear up anything today, only clouded up your thinking, I think. We have learned to read between the lines on any of George's comments. Habit, learned from his past.
      1. 1/17/2012 10:40 AM Nakose wrote:
        your kidding right? What George says and what he does are two different things and an oath from him is just a fart blowing in the wind. it stinks but is gone in a moments time and no longer matters to him. he's had made his promises and will be backpeddling from now on because he can't keep all of them or maybe not any for that matter. he will fill his pockets and run. mark my words.
    4. 1/17/2012 4:44 PM gottobaccofunds wrote:
      I think he should apologize for being two faced. When Giles was trying to slip the deal through and A.D. sent his attorneys to intervene the then Councilman Tiger was offering his opinion that it was the Kialegees right to pursue gaming. So either the new chief had a change of heart or he was stoking up the voting fires.
  • 1/16/2012 1:20 PM Jolie wrote:
    Even though Chief Tiger has publicly opposed the building of the BA casino on MCN land, it appears that the KTT/casino developers will be challenging the jurisdiction of that land, by the statement they've issued, published in this news article from today.

    http://www.fox23.com/news/local/story/Muscogee-Creek-Principal-Chief-opposes-Broken/VqpJ-JuNu0u8BYjhsSNcFQ.cspx
    1. 1/17/2012 10:43 AM Anonymous wrote:
      He didn't really oppose the casino. He just stated that all of Kialegee's ducks are not in a row. With George and his, what I call his co-conspirators in charge of the legislature, judicial and his executive branch, they will allow Kialegee to do the proper procedures, and VOILA, everything will become legal. Don't start believing him yet. And another 'misinformation', he did know all of the issue long before his statement that he became aware sometime in 2011. What a BS'er he is, blatant one too.
    2. 1/23/2012 9:55 AM A friend wrote:
      Jolie, keep in mind that there were many Creeks who are against the Kialegee casino and have been very vocal in their opposition. Pretty much for the same reasons, that our lands can't be utilized by other tribes, and no matter what ole' George says, the Kialegees are another tribe. They say that, and we Creeks also say it. They do not like being a part of MCN, but they can't survive or exist without the MCN. There lies their dilemma. 
  • 1/16/2012 5:36 PM Anonymous wrote:
    Tiger did not oppose or endorse Kialegee Red Clay Casino. He rode the fence as usual with his great PR skills.

    He said "Kialegee has not filed for a license through Creek Nation."

    They don't have to ask Creek Nation. It's not up to Tiger or the Creek National Council ran by Tiger, it's up to NIGC.

    Tiger loves his own voice and face so much that any thing will prompt a PRESS CONFERENCE.

    He could have said this last week but has has to call a PRESS CONFERENCE.

    Oh to have a captive audiance.
    1. 1/17/2012 10:09 AM Anonymous wrote:
      It IS up to Creek Nation as well. The law prohibits other tribes or tribal towns from building casinos within their jurisdiction without their consent. The Kialegee's have NO land base... while they are doubled dipped in Creek Nation, they do not control Creek land... which brings up another topic... when is someone going to bring up the issue of the tribal towns double dipping? That is no different than someone being enrolled both Cherokee and Creek... it aint allowed...
      1. 1/21/2012 6:47 PM Anonymous wrote:
        and still I say, what is the big stink. Alabama has one in Wetumka right across from Kialegee. Creek Nation didnt put up no big deal on that did they? JUST LABLE THEM ALL A TRAINING CENTER FOR THOSE ATTENDING COLLEGE AT THE NATION.
  • 1/16/2012 7:06 PM Red Clay wrote:
    Chief Tiger just threw Kailegee under the bus! Whose next? (!!!) Tiger and his Creek government cannot stop the construction at Red Clay, cannot do anything until Kailegee shows up with slot machines, then Tiger can send in the Lighthorse to shut it down, unless the white man(feds) bail him out and makes it easy for him to escape his involvement in cheering them on. Then we will see who is carrying the big Creek stick? Oh, by the way, since Tiger is wanting to keep Martin Luther King day in mind, the question is, "will he make things right and lead the charge to put the Freedmen back on the roll?" Maybe he is raising more questions than he answered. Read his press release.
  • 1/16/2012 7:39 PM FYI wrote:
    Congressman John Sullivan released this statement:

    “I want to commend Muscogee (Creek) Nation Chief George Tiger for his statement today publicly opposing the development of a gaming facility at the northwest corner of 111th Street and 129th E. Avenue in Broken Arrow. I met with Chief Tiger, other Creek officials and members of his staff on Friday and we discussed the gravity of this issue as a potential precedent-setting matter that could negatively impact neighborhoods and communities all across Oklahoma. During the meeting, we also discussed the common ground we share – job creation and economic development – for Native Americans and all Oklahomans.

    I intend to take Chief Tiger’s statement into my meeting with National Indian Gaming Commission and Department of Interior officials on Wednesday, offering it as yet another brick in the wall of opposition that has been built against this casino development. I am confident it will carry much weight in my and the Broken Arrow community’s efforts to stop the casino in its tracks.”

    Yeah Tiger! What happened to Second Chief? Thanks Jolie for the link to the article.
    1. 1/17/2012 6:43 AM Anonymous wrote:
      TIGER DID NOT SAY HE OPPOSED THE CASINO!!!!!
    2. 1/17/2012 7:05 AM Anonymous wrote:
      George has his monkeys trained well.

      2nd Chief Barnett smiles and grins waiting for his next payoff.

      Speaker Alexander sits quietly looking mad.

      Chief of staff Eddy Marshall speaks when George gives him the nod to protect him from real questions.
      1. 2/6/2012 1:16 AM Anonymous wrote:
        Edwin is nothing but a butt kissing joke!! He followed George Tiger around so close that we feared for him if ole George stopped to quick!!! He tried to act surprised when GT offered him a position - he said he thought he would have to go back to Seminole Nation - well, he has a snowball chance in h*** to go back there - with his "sexual harassment incident" over there - I'm sure since he does think he's a gift to women, maybe those desperate ones!! He sees a woman he doesn't know, he'll chase her down to talk to her, spraying food all over her!!! He has such disgusting manners!!!! Talking and eating with his mouth full all the time!!!!
        1. 2/6/2012 9:05 PM wotko70 wrote:
          Oh my gosh!! Do you remember when they found child pron on his computer ? And he was fired and here he is again!! I just cannot stand him!!He Just looks nasty!!
    3. 1/17/2012 3:33 PM Anon wrote:
      I guess white people understand English better than we do, thanks for the Sullivan quote!

      And, like Tiger or not, he did what is the best for the Muscogee (Creek) Nation. Adding to this, Kailegee are Muscogee (Creek) Nation citizens too, just like other Creeks. Check out Kailegee's response,their leader said they are Second class citizens...LOL 70% of citizens of this nation are less than 1/4 blood Muscogee. They cannot hold office and some areas of employment are restricted. That is a second class citizen! Kailegee, like Alabama and Thloplocco are Federally recognized as a tribe (a tribe within a tribe). If Kailegee don't like the Creek rules then maybe they should pack it up and go it alone?
      1. 1/17/2012 5:41 PM Nakose wrote:
        ARE YOU NOT LISTENING? GEORGE AND BARNETT WAS BACKING THE CASINO JUST A FEW MONTHS AGO! IT WILL ALL COME OUT IN THE WASH BECAUSE SOMEBODY IS BEING LIED TO HEAR AND IF THEY DON'T GET THEIRS WILL BEGIN TO SQUEAL. HE IS AND HAS AND ALWAYS WILL LIE THROUGH HIS TEETH TO GET WHAT HE WANTS. HE HAS THE FUNDS TO PAY OFF THOSE THAT CAN HURT HIM WITH ALL THE CASINO MONEY AT HIS GRUBBY FINGERTIPS. I DON'T HATE THE MAN, HE JUST IS WHAT HE IS.
      2. 1/17/2012 5:48 PM wotko70 wrote:
        These Sovereign nations get Federal funds as Independent nations they are on Mvskoke nation rolls and also their own nation rolls they are double dipping the federal government and now stand to lose their soverenity.They do not owe Mvskoe nation anything. Except now to lose their funds..
      3. 1/17/2012 6:03 PM Wotko70 wrote:
        We have Kialegg member on council,we have Thlopthlocco on council we have alabama on council now.These sovereign nations may lose their funding for double dipping.
      4. 1/17/2012 9:43 PM anonymous wrote:
        There is a rumor floating around the complex that Chief George would like to reduce the enrolled members by changing the quantum level to exclude everyone less than 1/8th. Looks like quite a few might be packing up.
        1. 1/18/2012 12:12 PM Anonymous wrote:
          Hmmm, isn't George only less than a half? Ask him about his white father. He's an adopted Tiger.
          Tiger cannot change the constitution, if not, you'll see the same thing that happened with Cherokee Nation and the freedman.
          It's in the Constitution that anyone of Creek Indian blood may apply to be a citizen.
          Furthermore, in regards to dual citizenship with the tribal towns, the two tribes that the individual is applying to must accept the application. For example, one of the tribal towns constitution say that they can be enrolled in Creek Nation and the tribal town. Unfortunately, this can be ruled out because creek nation doesn't allow dual enrollment. Therefore, no one can be that tribal town and creek enrolled.
          1. 1/18/2012 9:45 PM just saying wrote:
            WOW!! If what you say is true, then George is not a blood descendant of Motey Tiger but an adopted one. Once again over exaggerating his background hoping no one will notice. Also bad news for Wotko70 who thought that he/she was going to be screwed by a full blood.
        2. 1/18/2012 3:30 PM Anonymous wrote:
          If this is really true, and I don't think so, George would really have to be ignorant of our Constitution. It would have to come to a vote of the citizens. No one even believes those 1/8th or more blood could carry such a vote & pass it. There are too many of them with relatives who are less than 1/8th, so much for that idea.
      5. 2/6/2012 9:12 PM Wotko70 wrote:
        No, there are a sovereign nation and receives money from the Federal Government ,,they should have their own housing food commodity and everything they should not be on our membership rolls.!!They ar doouble diping the federal government!!And it makes us wait for available apartments,housing and other services here at the nation. We have several Kialege,alabama, Thlopthlocco on our NC and they should not be there!!Or at our communities.
        1. 2/6/2012 11:22 PM Anon wrote:
          Wotko 70: you are a really vindictive person! The Kialgees did not have a choice to be on your rolls. The MCN & the BIA made that choice for them. The MCN uses the tribal towns head count to get more funding and so they will not toss them out. If the MCN the BIA would give the Kialegee their 2,000 plus acres called the "Hanna Project" back, that were taken from them, maybe you would well be rid of them. They would be out of sight and out of mind for you. Check your history and read the "Bureaucratic Amnesia" !!!!
        2. 2/7/2012 8:17 AM Nakose wrote:
          I agree, if they chose not to be a part of the Creek Nation they should be cut off completely from all benefits of the Creek Nation. Their choice not ours. In fact, like the seminoles should be called by another name instead of Creeks.
  • 1/17/2012 12:27 AM Anonymous wrote:
    Look at the court transcript again. He never testified in court. He simply is on record as saying "His opinion differs from Ellis."
    1. 1/17/2012 10:34 AM Anon wrote:
      You are so correct. Chief Ellis was very much AGAINST the casino, which is why he tried to Intervene for the MCN in that court case, which was not accepted. That's when Tiger made his statement that his opinion differed from Ellis, WHICH MEANT THAT HE WAS FOR THE CASINO. How much more clear can that be interpreted? Even to us full-bloods, we understand what Tiger meant.
    2. 1/17/2012 11:49 AM nc employee wrote:
      Lets see. A Judge ask you a question in open court and you answer in open court, I believe that is what is known as testifying. George's double speak does not hold up when it is included in court records. Sorry Anonymous he did testify.
    3. 1/17/2012 4:48 PM gottobaccofunds wrote:
      And what the position of Chief Ellis? he was against it? So what did that make Tiger? For it! And now he is nervous as a what in church?
  • 1/18/2012 6:28 AM RPP wrote:
    One thing that's hardly ever mentioned, is the following fact.

    The Muscogee (Creek) Constitution, as originally approved, clearly and expressly states at Article III, Section 2, that "an enrolled member of another Indian tribe, nation, land or pueblo shall not be eligible for citizenship in the Muscogee (Creek) Nation."

    Now I ask you friends, just how is that the NC ever even passed statutes that allow KTT, TTT and AQTT members to be M(C)N citizens? Such statutes and citizenship policy VIOLATES THE M(C)N CONSTITUTION!

    Seems to me the folks in those three federally recognized, separate and distinctly different tribes should have to choose between being citizens of KTT, TTT or AQTT, or the M(C)N - NOT BOTH!

    After all, the M(C)N Constitution trumps NC-made laws.

    If not, anyone who is a citizen of any other tribe, who has been denied Creek citizenship only because they are Cherokee, or Chickasaw, etc., but otherwise qualifies for Creek citizenship should raise hell.
    1. 1/18/2012 10:53 AM employee wrote:
      What about the casino that has been open in WETUMKA for years??? O that's right that is a training facility???? There should be plenty of good church going christians to keep them in $$$$ there. Its located right next door to the post office????
    2. 1/18/2012 11:57 AM wotko70 wrote:
      You are so right,We,mat Thlopthlocco tried to get our members off Creek nation citizens roll and we could not get them off..The Micco of thlopthlocco put a notice in the paper that creek nation has no control of member os Thlopthlocco,,,Thanks Micco!!
  • 1/18/2012 8:55 AM Anonymous wrote:
    Mr Eddy Marshall( GT bouncee ) from Alabama Quarsity. Ask him bout his tt casino
    1. 1/18/2012 10:58 AM wondering44 wrote:
      What is a GT bouncee?? Is that like when Micheal Jackson used to bounce the little boys on his knee???
    2. 1/18/2012 11:38 AM anon wrote:
      AQTT do they had licences for there casino, is that tribal land MR.MARSHALL
  • 1/18/2012 12:03 PM Wotko70 wrote:
    No that is some one else.....Duh!!You know who.
  • 1/18/2012 5:34 PM Jarvis Humby wrote:
    When the tribe compacted with the state and federal govt. for the riverspirit casino they agreed NOT to place another Creek tribal casino within 50 MILES of the riverspirit! (course they could eventually try to get out of it by saying its a KIALEGEE tribal casino,..) but I agree with whoever said,.."all the Kialegees have to do is get their "ducks in a row" i.e. apply for a license, etc. and George & Co. will be singing another tune. (with their hands out,..under the table.)
  • 1/23/2012 9:50 AM Curious1 wrote:
    Once again, we bring up double-dipping of the members of tribal towns from MCN tribal funds. Wonder if those members who are on our payroll, are also getting some kind of compensation from their tribal towns funds. I'll bet Marshall is. We know former chief Bill Fife did. There are others.
  • 1/26/2012 5:53 AM RPP wrote:
    This just in from the Tulsa World. KTT/Marcella Giles' lawyer who claims KTT has equal jurisdiction over any and all M(C)N land means KTT can build a casino on any M(C)N land it wants to do so.

    Now, how this lawyer for KTT/Giles so sure ol'George won't oppose the project?

    QUOTE"

    "Edwin Marshall, chief of staff for Muscogee (Creek) Nation Chief George Tiger, said Tiger has no comment regarding whether the tribes share jurisdiction over the land. Tiger has previously said the Kialegees are required to seek permission from the Creek Nation to operate the casino.

    Whittlesey, who said he has negotiated 33 such gaming agreements across the country, said Tiger's statement is not correct.

    "There's no approval required from the Muscogee (Creek), and Chief Tiger knows that. ... I will predict that he will not oppose this project," he said. "

    END QUOTE.

    Link:
    http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=685&articleid=20120126_11_A1_CUTLIN914914
  • 1/28/2012 9:02 PM RL wrote:
    In the World interview, Hobia says that land jurisdiction is KTT but law enforcement falls to lighthorse. How is this possible?
    1. 1/29/2012 6:28 AM RPP wrote:
      He has to say that because KTT has no police department. Inherent in the notion of "jurisdiction" is the ability to make and enforce laws regarding a piece of land. Hobia reckons he can just borrow M(C)N Lighthorse whenever he needs it.

      But here's what he's missing when he claims M(C)N and KTT share jurisdiction over that land. If that were true, KTT would also share jurisdiction over all M(C)N land, not to mention AQTT and TTT land. And that joint jurisdiction issue, as alleged by Hobia, will be fully explored by the judge when this mess eventually winds-up in federal court.
  • 2/2/2012 12:56 PM Jolie wrote:
    Yesterday, two Lighthorse police vehicles and officers were spotted at the Red Clay Casino / KTT "headquarters" site. Does anyone know why?

    Last month, after the Tulsa World published its article about Indian allotments in Tulsa County, including a map using information from the Tulsa Co. Assessor's Office, we've learned that Marcella Giles' cousin Steve Bruner owns 5 allotments just on the other side of the Creek Turnpike across from the proposed casino site. I believe that the bigger plan is not just the casino on the Giles/Capps land, but to build other related/supporting businesses on Bruner's land.

    http://www.nocasinoba.com/info/map-of-proposed-casino-site

    Someone commented on this blog that Bruner has been working with Giles on the casino project for five years. From reading about his questionable activities and behavior in news articles and blogs related to his smoke shops, the treatment of his sister-in-law after his brother Danny died, etc., I suspected that there must be something in this casino plan for him. After learning about all the land he owns near the casino site, I expect that he may eventually end up with an even bigger piece of the pie than his cousins, if the Feds approve the KTT casino deal. Does anyone know more about Giles' and Bruner's plans?

    Is Bruner still holding a seat on the National Council? The NC website hasn't updated the council members' information for the 17th session yet.

    Broken Arrow Mayor Mike Lester is longtime friends with both Bruner and Giles. They all graduated from Broken Arrow High School--Danny Bruner graduated in 1965, Mike Lester in 1966, Steve Bruner in 1967. (Wynema Capps graduated in 1957 and Marcella Burgess Giles in 1961). Lester has also publicly stated he's known about attempts to put a casino on the Giles/Capps land for the last 15 years but says he didn't know of anything serious until September 2011. There are rumors, though, that he and the city manager Dave Wooden may have had detailed information about the project a couple of years ago. Anyone know? (Lester's wife is Patricia Ann Archer, a MCN member, whose parents were Bernice Morton and Clyde Lackey Archer. Bernice was a descendant of John and Elizabeth (Derrisaw) Berryhill.)

    http://files.usgwarchives.net/ok/nations/creek/history/berryhill/berryhill.txt

    BA residents want to know why the city kept residents in the dark about the proposed casino, even after September 2011, and if they have any involvement with the landowners and/or developers in the casino plans. btw, Lester's work on the city council is strictly as an unpaid volunteer. His paid job is as managing broker of Lester & Associates Realty--handling commercial listings.

    We are also extremely interested in finding out who the hidden investors are for the casino project, that the attorneys have been so careful to not name, even on the FAQ page of the casino's official website:

    http://redclaycasino.com/

    I'd be grateful for your help.
    1. 2/2/2012 1:52 PM ono wrote:
      Marcella Giles son Stephen is in the upper management of the NIGC the ones that are going to approve this conspiracy and make it all possible.
      1. 2/3/2012 7:04 AM Jolie wrote:
        To my knowledge, Marcella has only two sons: Jason and Justin.

        Jason Giles was named the new executive director of the National Indian Gaming Association (NIGA),(not the Commission), in December 2011:

        http://ggbmagazine.com/issue/vol-11-no-1-january-2012/article/new-executive-director-named-at-niga

        Until then he was its deputy director and general counsel. I think he is still the general counsel in addition to being the executive director:

        http://www.indiangaming.org/info/index.shtml

        If you go to the home page on the NIGA website linked above, you'll see that while the organization lobbies on behalf of Indian gaming (and probably has great influence), it is not NIGC, the government agency that makes the decisions on gaming issues:

        http://www.nigc.gov/
    2. 2/7/2012 2:02 AM Anonymous wrote:
      Don't forget who Steve Bruner is married to Kalyn Free, Attorney & Indians List founder and former Washington DC's young Indian Lawyer Welcome wagon - who also is taking credit for Cherokee Chief Baker's win - if Cousin Marcella Giles casino goes thru you can bet greedy Kalyn will be trying to have Bruner open another casino for themselves - it's funny that when those two began dating Giles couldn't stand Kalyn - well, they are two of the worst attorneys around!! Kalyn isn't loyal to anyone, personal, politics, anything, anywhere or anybody including Steve!!!
  • 2/2/2012 6:27 PM Gratefullyinformed wrote:
    Jolie,
    Your information is both insiteful and appreciated. I wish I knew who you were so we could meet and discuss this.
    Bruner's seat was eliminated on the National Council. He had intentions to run again but backed out. Probably didn't want to continue with the little work he actually did when on the council.
    Would the bank that the employee's get their paycheck know who is backing them? I'm sure that may be a good lead. This type of information should be made public.
    I wonder if the Mayor of Broken Arrow is concerned about the illegal gaming revenue he could fill his pockets with when the casino is up and running.
    If I was the mayor of Broken Arrow, I wouldn't cross deputize the police force with Creek Nation or Kialegee.
  • 2/3/2012 7:28 AM Jolie wrote:
    Thank you for your reply. I would expect that banks would have to maintain confidentiality with their depositors/account holders. Getting access to anyone's finances to even know what bank(s) they use would be extremely difficult.

    A limited liability company does not have disclose to the state the names of all the members involved--only the agent and managing members. Rules vary by state.

    Here are links to the official pages on the two companies that the developers are connected to:

    Florence Development Partners, LLC (registered in Oklahoma)
    https://www.sos.ok.gov/corp/corpInformation.aspx?id=3512310096

    Golden Canyon Partners, LLC (registered in Nevada)
    http://nvsos.gov/sosentitysearch/CorpDetails.aspx?lx8nvq=46YVioCM4oi9yv7e0zQTmQ%253d%253d&nt7=0

    Thank you for confirming Bruner is no longer with the NC. That is very helpful.

    I know that the Red Clay Casino developers plan on making an agreement with the City of BA for police and fire protection. Why do you see that as a problem? I think the depts. would still be under the control of the City of BA at all times, not the KTT or Creek Nation.
  • 2/7/2012 2:18 PM Jolie wrote:
    You might find the following letter sent to Broken Arrow Mayor Mike Lester interesting, particularly the last paragraph, which reads:

    QUOTE

    We are concerned about the relationship between our City Leaders and the developers. We wish to learn more about these relationships. Moreover, given the conduct of our city government in this matter, and because we have learned of certain other developments, we shall be submitting our FOIA request documents today to shed light on those relationships. Please ensure that all city email, calendar and related correspondence records are retained and preserved.

    END QUOTE

    http://www.nocasinoba.com/downloads/letters/file/20-letter-from-bacang-co-founder-rob-martinek-to-broken-arrow-mayor-mike-lester">http://www.nocasinoba.com/downloads/letters/file/20-letter-from-bacang-co-founder-rob-martinek-to-broken-arrow-mayor-mike-lester

    And the following Freedom of Information Act requests, also sent to City Hall on Feb. 6:

    http://www.nocasinoba.com/downloads/documents-and-records">http://www.nocasinoba.com/downloads/documents-and-records

    The City Council meeting tonight will be overflowing with angry and determined residents, demanding answers and possibly changes in their government leaders.

    http://www.nocasinoba.com/

    Also, someone in the group was informed that the casino developers were planning on setting up mobile gaming units this week at the site.

    http://www.kjrh.com/dpp/news/local_news/red-clay-casino-to-bring-in-mobile-buildings
  • 2/8/2012 6:28 AM RPP wrote:
    On Tuesday, 2/7/12, the State of Oklahoma filed a lawsuit in federal court against KTT and the white investors backing the BA casino project.

    Interesting to note the State of Oklahoma, in its Brief seeking to enjoin (block) the casino cites the M(C)N Constitution which states a person cannot be both a M(C)N citizen and citizen of KTT, TTT or AQTT.

    Now its in federal court, and we'll see. Expect the federal judge to rule the same as the state judge last summer who stated, "I do not see how a lease of property can transfer governmental jurisdiction over that property."

    It's the beginning of the end for this shady project folks. here's hoping Ol'George gets deposed in the lawsuit so he can explain, under oath, his role in this mess.

    link:
    http://www.tulsaworld.com/webextra/content/items/kialegeepruitt1.pdf
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